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Meyer issued a much better statement yesterday. Everyone screws up, but not everyone acknowledges their screw-ups (see Jordan, Jim). Tom Ryan's too far removed from the football team for this to have any effect on him; loyalty to a school and fellow coach is far from an endorsement of domestic abuse.

The people relentlessly hounding Urban Meyer all suspiciously have Michigan addresses.

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Not sure this is a Michigan/Ohio State thing. Meyer has a history of being a slippery character. Tom Ryan on the other hand has an impeccable reputation.

 

The storm will blow over and when it does, Meyer will likely be gone and Tom Ryan will be working hard to win another National Title.

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There is so much corruption in college (and professional) sports, which takes its cues and rationalizations from the larger political world.  Folks who think that discussion of wrestling (and athletics in general) should be kept separate from politics (class, race, immigration issues, etc.) are naive at best and more likely simply foolish or deliberately close-minded.  Economics, culture and religion figure prominently in the sporting (including wrestling) world. Look at the international doping scandals (particularly Russia), the payoffs for the Olympics or World Cup Soccer, and more. To pretend that politics should be left out is willful ignorance or organized touchiness.   Wrestling has an extremely conservative and religious base, especially when you invite consideration of the Muslim cultures and countries or look at it historically in the U.S.   It is a patent reality that conservatives by their very nature and upbringing are, on the whole, not especially inviting of deep analysis, critical thought, or challenges to the status quo.  Urban Meyer (and others like Jim Jordan) are cut from the same cloth that doesn't like folks asking questions or challenging their so-called authority.   It's the job of free press and journalists and free-thinking citizens to ask tough questions.   Otherwise, we continue to end up with cultures of corruption:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/sports/urban-meyer-zach-smith-ohio-state.html

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/25/opinion/sunday/corruption-donald-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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There is so much corruption in college (and professional) sports, which takes its cues and rationalizations from the larger political world. Folks who think that discussion of wrestling (and athletics in general) should be kept separate from politics (class, race, immigration issues, etc.) are naive at best and more likely simply foolish or deliberately close-minded. Economics, culture and religion figure prominently in the sporting (including wrestling) world. Look at the international doping scandals (particularly Russia), the payoffs for the Olympics or World Cup Soccer, and more. To pretend that politics should be left out is willful ignorance or organized touchiness. Wrestling has an extremely conservative and religious base, especially when you invite consideration of the Muslim cultures and countries or look at it historically in the U.S. It is a patent reality that conservatives by their very nature and upbringing are, on the whole, not especially inviting of deep analysis, critical thought, or challenges to the status quo. Urban Meyer (and others like Jim Jordan) are cut from the same cloth that doesn't like folks asking questions or challenging their so-called authority. It's the job of free press and journalists and free-thinking citizens to ask tough questions. Otherwise, we continue to end up with cultures of corruption:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/sports/urban-meyer-zach-smith-ohio-state.html

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/25/opinion/sunday/corruption-donald-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Re packaged left wing political dreck. Keep your left wing politics to yourself. But you can't. You just can't help yourself.

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Some young adults chose to ignore an uncomfortable situation, than escalate it to higher authorities at the time.    Only reason Jordan is even mentioned nowadays, is ego.    When not as successful, blame others.   

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I am waiting to see if the women of the United States go after Urban in public at all Ohio State football games and public events

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There is so much corruption in college (and professional) sports, which takes its cues and rationalizations from the larger political world. Folks who think that discussion of wrestling (and athletics in general) should be kept separate from politics (class, race, immigration issues, etc.) are naive at best and more likely simply foolish or deliberately close-minded. Economics, culture and religion figure prominently in the sporting (including wrestling) world. Look at the international doping scandals (particularly Russia), the payoffs for the Olympics or World Cup Soccer, and more. To pretend that politics should be left out is willful ignorance or organized touchiness. Wrestling has an extremely conservative and religious base, especially when you invite consideration of the Muslim cultures and countries or look at it historically in the U.S. It is a patent reality that conservatives by their very nature and upbringing are, on the whole, not especially inviting of deep analysis, critical thought, or challenges to the status quo. Urban Meyer (and others like Jim Jordan) are cut from the same cloth that doesn't like folks asking questions or challenging their so-called authority. It's the job of free press and journalists and free-thinking citizens to ask tough questions. Otherwise, we continue to end up with cultures of corruption:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/sports/urban-meyer-zach-smith-ohio-state.html

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/25/opinion/sunday/corruption-donald-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

If this forum didn’t have rules, then I’d tell you to pull your head out of your ass, but it does and I don’t know them very well... so....

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There is so much corruption in college (and professional) sports, which takes its cues and rationalizations from the larger political world.  Folks who think that discussion of wrestling (and athletics in general) should be kept separate from politics (class, race, immigration issues, etc.) are naive at best and more likely simply foolish or deliberately close-minded.  Economics, culture and religion figure prominently in the sporting (including wrestling) world. Look at the international doping scandals (particularly Russia), the payoffs for the Olympics or World Cup Soccer, and more. To pretend that politics should be left out is willful ignorance or organized touchiness.   Wrestling has an extremely conservative and religious base, especially when you invite consideration of the Muslim cultures and countries or look at it historically in the U.S.   It is a patent reality that conservatives by their very nature and upbringing are, on the whole, not especially inviting of deep analysis, critical thought, or challenges to the status quo.  Urban Meyer (and others like Jim Jordan) are cut from the same cloth that doesn't like folks asking questions or challenging their so-called authority.   It's the job of free press and journalists and free-thinking citizens to ask tough questions.   Otherwise, we continue to end up with cultures of corruption:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/sports/urban-meyer-zach-smith-ohio-state.html

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/25/opinion/sunday/corruption-donald-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

 

Regardless one's views of the Urban Meyer situation, dmm53 hit the nail on the head.  In terms of his own argument.  

 

It's a patent reality that conservatives, by their very nature and upbringing are, on the whole, not especially inviting of deep analysis, critical thought, or challenges the status quo.  

 

The sheer fact that the statement was made by a liberal, against conservatives, demonstrates the smug point-of-view of some intellectual and moral superiority.  Yet... it's completely unfounded and grounded in nothing but hyperbole.  

 

I'm absolutely sure that the Right, does not identify with that statement, nor put a "dolt" like Trump as their poster-child to represent them as human beings.  This analog is replicated on the left, because, I'm absolutely positive, that in all the Right's "left-hate", the left does not identify with Farrakhan, Byrd, Alinsky and the rest of the racist leftists/socialists as their poster-childs to represent them as human beings. 

 

The above post is nothing but an attempt to derive yet additional diviseness, at the cost of this thread being shut down (and in the hope that their post will be the last, as to ensure it's "lasting memory).  

 

To assume that it's a patent reality that conservatives are what you claim them to be, is the exact and identical counterargument that the right has against the left. 

 

And so... it continues.  

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Regardless one's views of the Urban Meyer situation, dmm53 hit the nail on the head. In terms of his own argument.

 

It's a patent reality that conservatives, by their very nature and upbringing are, on the whole, not especially inviting of deep analysis, critical thought, or challenges the status quo.

 

The sheer fact that the statement was made by a liberal, against conservatives, demonstrates the smug point-of-view of some intellectual and moral superiority. Yet... it's completely unfounded and grounded in nothing but hyperbole.

 

I'm absolutely sure that the Right, does not identify with that statement, nor put a "dolt" like Trump as their poster-child to represent them as human beings. This analog is replicated on the left, because, I'm absolutely positive, that in all the Right's "left-hate", the left does not identify with Farrakhan, Byrd, Alinsky and the rest of the racist leftists/socialists as their poster-childs to represent them as human beings.

 

The above post is nothing but an attempt to derive yet additional diviseness, at the cost of this thread being shut down (and in the hope that their post will be the last, as to ensure it's "lasting memory).

 

To assume that it's a patent reality that conservatives are what you claim them to be, is the exact and identical counterargument that the right has against the left.

 

And so... it continues.

Interesting...

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Treep, please don't take dmm's political bait. This board will go dowhill fast.

 

Also, neither side owns any part of the high ground in any debate. Liberals are few in number as they have ceded their own party to socialists. The ills of socialism are all around us, just look at Venezueala.

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Treep, please don't take dmm's political bait. This board will go dowhill fast.

 

Also, neither side owns any part of the high ground in any debate. Liberals are few in number as they have ceded their own party to socialists. The ills of socialism are all around us, just look at Venezueala.

...Asks people not to discuss politics

 

Makes a ridiculous one sided political statement

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...Asks people not to discuss politics

 

Makes a ridiculous one sided political statement

To counter dmm's agenda. The guy is well known in PSU circles. He can't help himself as he feels he must spread his political beliefs every where he goes.

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...... Urban probably should have been fired- not like they couldn't find a good replacement, and he could go back to the broadcast booth where nobody would listen to him anyway......... he has the "Joe Paterno look the other way disease "    ..... gutless..

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Ryan is an anti-vaxxer, how much credibility does he actually have?

Enough credibility that he was voted to the NCAA Division I Wrestling Championships Committee, and, until earlier this month, was President of the National Wrestling Coaches' Association. Nearly everybody in the wrestling world would like to have half as much credibility as Tom Ryan, myself included.

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