pish6969 255 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 and I have a hard time seeing anyone proving that wrong! Really? How about the buzz and life this year that Lee created for Iowa fans? How about the recruiting bump a team gets for having a generational stud doing his thing on the biggest stage? You think Iowa fans would have been happy with a possible 5th place finish with no champs when you have a guy on the bench that’s clearly a stud? Can’t prove it but, I’m sure the Hawkeye wrestling club got a few more boosters and money coming into the program now that they see a dominating wrestler that can bring other kids to the party Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrestlingFan89 246 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 Be clear at least. I didn't say it was a bad thing just for Lee. I thought it was bad for Iowa. Taking 3rd instead of 5th(they would have still taken 5th easily) was not worth using up a year of Lee, in my opinion. That opinion has not changed, and I have a hard time seeing anyone proving that wrong! Can you admit that the exposure of Lee and what he did at NCAA’s helped jump start Iowa’s recruiting momentum? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,315 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 Be clear at least. I didn't say it was a bad thing just for Lee. I thought it was bad for Iowa. Taking 3rd instead of 5th(they would have still taken 5th easily) was not worth using up a year of Lee, in my opinion. That opinion has not changed, and I have a hard time seeing anyone proving that wrong! I remember it as both, the team thing and the individual thing. If I recall you believed he'd win 4 titles if he red shirted, but risked not winning as a true freshman if the shirt was pulled. Lots of folks said the shirt being burned would result in him winning AND Iowa getting a lot of excitement poured into their program. There is no doubt the Free the Lee movement was well placed and that your position was short sighted at best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 1,302 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 Can you admit that the exposure of Lee and what he did at NCAA’s helped jump start Iowa’s recruiting momentum? Would Lee have not created that exact same exposure this season? It's not like their recruiting bumped up in any way this past season as a result. Did they benefit from it last year? Absolutley. Would they have ended up with the same amount of benefits in the long run? I absolutely think so. 1 WrestlingFan89 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 1,302 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 I remember it as both, the team thing and the individual thing. If I recall you believed he'd win 4 titles if he red shirted, but risked not winning as a true freshman if the shirt was pulled. Lots of folks said the shirt being burned would result in him winning AND Iowa getting a lot of excitement poured into their program. There is no doubt the Free the Lee movement was well placed and that your position was short sighted at best. You remember it wrong then. Just because I said he was more at risk of not winning that year doesn't change the fact that I wanted him for 4 years of legitimate chances to win a team title. Let's not forget, the RISK was a justified concern. He did lose to NaTo just a week and a half earlier. Take the team title aspect away and I would have been fine with him wrestling. And once I heard that they did it for Lee first AND NOT the team, I backed off(Feel free to go to HR and sift through). Admittedly, I would have liked him shirting just for a chance to catch Cael. I also thought the same for Hall. PSU didn't absolutely need him to win it all and his only career loss would now be to Valencia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie 727 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 Can you admit that the exposure of Lee and what he did at NCAA’s helped jump start Iowa’s recruiting momentum? If nothing more, it did prove that a kid as seemingly normal as Spencer Lee doesn't mind living with those psychos 1 WrestlingFan89 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,315 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 You remember it wrong then. Just because I said he was more at risk of not winning that year doesn't change the fact that I wanted him for 4 years of legitimate chances to win a team title. Let's not forget, the RISK was a justified concern. He did lose to NaTo just a week and a half earlier. Take the team title aspect away and I would have been fine with him wrestling. And once I heard that they did it for Lee first AND NOT the team, I backed off(Feel free to go to HR and sift through). Admittedly, I would have liked him shirting just for a chance to catch Cael. I also thought the same for Hall. PSU didn't absolutely need him to win it all and his only career loss would now be to Valencia. This is an example of you not admitting when you are wrong. 2 Alwayswrestling and Cletus_Tucker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 1,302 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 This is an example of you not admitting when you are wrong. Ok, lets say this. 98% of my focus was on the team implications and 2% was his individual results. If you get a 98% on a test, does that 2% make you wrong? If so, I will gladly admit I am wrong............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,315 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 Ok, lets say this. 98% of my focus was on the team implications and 2% was his individual results. If you get a 98% on a test, does that 2% make you wrong? If so, I will gladly admit I am wrong............. You redshirting Lee would not have been a 98% result, so your lack of comprehension of the import of Iowa getting Lee to HAMMER his way thru NCAA's and then getting a pretty big recruiting bump means you are still wrong and still unable to admit to such. Why don't you go over to Hawkeye Report and tell everyone there that Iowa made a mistake last year with Spencer Lee. See what the reaction is. Maybe then you'll realize the simplicity of it all. Three words. "I was wrong". Just own it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 1,302 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) You redshirting Lee would not have been a 98% result, so your lack of comprehension of the import of Iowa getting Lee to HAMMER his way thru NCAA's and then getting a pretty big recruiting bump means you are still wrong and still unable to admit to such. Why don't you go over to Hawkeye Report and tell everyone there that Iowa made a mistake last year with Spencer Lee. See what the reaction is. Maybe then you'll realize the simplicity of it all. Three words. "I was wrong". Just own it. What impact on recruiting? Who did they get that they wouldn't have? Cass and Brands were already locked in. As far as this year goes, I like Kennedy and Assad a ton, but they are still right in the range of Iowa standard recruits. I stand FIRM that Iowa would have benefited more by Lee starting his career this season. But, Lee wanted to go right away and I respect that. He definitely proved he was able to. Also, I won't argue with HR guys on that. Like most diehard fans, they don't have patience. They want the best product they can have NOW. I get it. I just don't agree with it. I just don't think the short term benefits of last year would have outweighed the next 4 years. Unless, you believe a 5th place finish would have just crippled Iowa in everyone's eyes and Lee blitkrieging the field this year along with a 2nd place team finish wouldn't bounce them right back to where they are now. I have a hard time believing that........... Edited August 30, 2018 by MSU158 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 1,302 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 You redshirting Lee would not have been a 98% result, so your lack of comprehension of the import of Iowa getting Lee to HAMMER his way thru NCAA's and then getting a pretty big recruiting bump means you are still wrong and still unable to admit to such. Why don't you go over to Hawkeye Report and tell everyone there that Iowa made a mistake last year with Spencer Lee. See what the reaction is. Maybe then you'll realize the simplicity of it all. Three words. "I was wrong". Just own it. And you don't understand that he would generate the exact import this season, while still having 4 legitimate chances to win a team title......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paboom 204 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 Who is the next team in line to challenge points wise? Am I selling somebody short. without digging into last years results just going off memory.. I know PSU lost Retherford but Ohio state loses Nato/Jordan/Snyder Can't think of Iowa losing an key cogs? but they were just soo far back And Cornell/NCState/Vtech just don't have the depth to break 100 points I think it's between OSU and Iowa with tOSU taking 4th. NC State and Cornell need one more year to be considered part of the conversation. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk 1 spladle08 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paboom 204 Report post Posted August 30, 2018 I need to add this in before the season starts. (based on nothing but observation) I think Teasdale quits college wrestling, he may bounce around and come back but, feel a quit. His talent is amazing, he's been a star for forever.... yadda yadda yadda. Every interview, every match I see, his body language is "I hate this". Don't know him personally, don't know his goals, or his off the mat comments, just when I see kids who love the battle, then I see him.... he just doesn't have that... spark. #MyRidicPrediction I see a Gulibon like career. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk 1 spladle08 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 359 Report post Posted August 31, 2018 I totally support pish's Aaron Brooks prediction. Aaron wins 184 weight class in 19-20 season. Obviously it's a lot tougher to pick somebody who will win rather than saying they wont. However, because that's the post that was made, I'll respond. Aaron Brooks will have no shot at winning the NCAA as a true freshman at 184 and that's assuming that he even is at 184. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 359 Report post Posted August 31, 2018 It's the basic lack of understanding that gets tiresome. And, although I don't care either way, it's the total lack of any objectivity. I hate to say this because this board is not for politics but just like the guy said earlier their fans are like a certain political party. If you disagree with them you're another ****ing *******, racist, Etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pish6969 255 Report post Posted August 31, 2018 Obviously it's a lot tougher to pick somebody who will win rather than saying they wont. However, because that's the post that was made, I'll respond. Aaron Brooks will have no shot at winning the NCAA as a true freshman at 184 and that's assuming that he even is at 184. Have you seen him wrestle? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,315 Report post Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) Obviously it's a lot tougher to pick somebody who will win rather than saying they wont. However, because that's the post that was made, I'll respond. Aaron Brooks will have no shot at winning the NCAA as a true freshman at 184 and that's assuming that he even is at 184.Brooks will be the best pure athlete in the field. Why no shot? Let me amend this post. Zahid. If Zahid is at 184 it is his weight. I will take Aaron Brooks against anyone else. Edited August 31, 2018 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,315 Report post Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) And, although I don't care either way, it's the total lack of any objectivity. I hate to say this because this board is not for politics but just like the guy said earlier their fans are like a certain political party. If you disagree with them you're another ****ing *******, racist, Etc. You can disagree with me all you want and I won't be calling you any of those names. I am a free speech guy. Not in that party thst wants to shut the other side up because they can't win the battle of ideas. Edited August 31, 2018 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 1,818 Report post Posted August 31, 2018 Brooks will be the best pure athlete in the field. Why no shot? Let me amend this post. Zahid. If Zahid is at 184 it is his weight. I will take Aaron Brooks against anyone else. Agreed. I do think Venz, Dean and Parker are all solid and young. They will be very good in two years. I’m sure there will be a couple other guys who make the jump before then too. I’d still say Brooks takes it unless Zahid is there. The reports out of the world team camp suggest he is next level. We will see how much he has progressed in two weeks at junior worlds. Even Zahid didn’t win junior world gold, so even for brooks it won’t be a cakewalk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pish6969 255 Report post Posted August 31, 2018 Agreed. I do think Venz, Dean and Parker are all solid and young. They will be very good in two years. I’m sure there will be a couple other guys who make the jump before then too. I’d still say Brooks takes it unless Zahid is there. The reports out of the world team camp suggest he is next level. We will see how much he has progressed in two weeks at junior worlds. Even Zahid didn’t win junior world gold, so even for brooks it won’t be a cakewalk. I should have made one caveat when I picked Brooks to win next year. If he’s at Zahids weight I pick Zahid. Only guy I can see beating Zahid is Hall or possibly Martin if Zahid bumps up Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMopar 14 Report post Posted September 1, 2018 https://gopsusports.com/roster.aspx?path=wrestling P.S. The PSU "Train"!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites