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i think Beloglazov is the worst coach in wrestling history. If CKWC got Magomed Guseinov or Imanmurza Aliev it would be better.....

What makes you say that? I don’t know the guy, but I would think that being one of the best wrestlers of all time he would have to have some good coaching insight? I know being a good wrestler doesn’t mean you will be a good coach but it can’t hurt.

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What makes you say that? I don’t know the guy, but I would think that being one of the best wrestlers of all time he would have to have some good coaching insight? I know being a good wrestler doesn’t mean you will be a good coach but it can’t hurt.

He's a terrific coach...his clinics are great.  Good guy, too. CKWC is lucky to have him.  

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you realize him having good clinics has nothing to do with coaching right?

Those are absolutely related skills, especially as the RTC head coach. He will be running the freestyle practices.

 

For a head coach at a Big10 school, sure there are arguably more important attributes

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What makes you say that? I don’t know the guy, but I would think that being one of the best wrestlers of all time he would have to have some good coaching insight? I know being a good wrestler doesn’t mean you will be a good coach but it can’t hurt.

 

This is the problem with wrestling fans/administrators.  The guy has been coaching since about 1987 and has never produced a World Champion, or even a world medalist.  He's had sufficient time in his many stops, and every where he has gone he hasn't left in the best of circumstances.  He definitely has a bit of a Michael Jordan complex.  He was so good, he struggles coaching less-then-elite status.

 

If I'm not mistaken, he's the one that really MADE Cejudo.  The inside trips, the level changes, low single, the vast repertoire we've never seen a Terry-coached guy have?  That's all Beloglazov.  

 

So, to Abdullahgadzhi's point... why isn't he coaching in Russia if he's such a good coach?  I'd venture to say they create the world's best coaches, and it's not even close.  And never once has he been invited to coach a team/area.

 

I think the CKWC could be a good fit, however, because of talent.  He's going to love working with a McHenry, Silva, Micic, Abounader, Massa, Coon, Storr, etc.  Those are all elite level talents.  

 

We shouldn't just be enamored with his medals, he's proven himself to not be an elite "coach."  I put that in parentheses because coaching is more than just technique.  I think that's why Cejudo gives Terry as much credit as he does.  Structure, discipline, trust, mentality, all those things are more important than technique, simply because its harder to teach.

 

ANYONE can coach technique.  Getting an athlete to buy in and see them excel BECAUSE of that buy in?  That's the hard part.

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This is the problem with wrestling fans/administrators. The guy has been coaching since about 1987 and has never produced a World Champion, or even a world medalist. He's had sufficient time in his many stops, and every where he has gone he hasn't left in the best of circumstances. He definitely has a bit of a Michael Jordan complex. He was so good, he struggles coaching less-then-elite status.

 

If I'm not mistaken, he's the one that really MADE Cejudo. The inside trips, the level changes, low single, the vast repertoire we've never seen a Terry-coached guy have? That's all Beloglazov.

 

So, to Abdullahgadzhi's point... why isn't he coaching in Russia if he's such a good coach? I'd venture to say they create the world's best coaches, and it's not even close. And never once has he been invited to coach a team/area.

 

I think the CKWC could be a good fit, however, because of talent. He's going to love working with a McHenry, Silva, Micic, Abounader, Massa, Coon, Storr, etc. Those are all elite level talents.

 

We shouldn't just be enamored with his medals, he's proven himself to not be an elite "coach." I put that in parentheses because coaching is more than just technique. I think that's why Cejudo gives Terry as much credit as he does. Structure, discipline, trust, mentality, all those things are more important than technique, simply because its harder to teach.

 

ANYONE can coach technique. Getting an athlete to buy in and see them excel BECAUSE of that buy in? That's the hard part.

Valid points, however if they use him strategically, he can make a difference

 

I think he will have a huge impact on Micic for example

 

I also think he can help Americans prepare for Russian style wrestlers. It’s very hard for Americans to have coaches who understand the Russian style like he does. He knows how they counter, what they look for, etc.

 

If he is the head coach and running the RTC practices on his own, it could be an issue. If he is a specialist coach who is humble enough to let others run practices, this could be game changing for the RTC

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Valid points, however if they use him strategically, he can make a difference

 

I think he will have a huge impact on Micic for example

 

I also think he can help Americans prepare for Russian style wrestlers. It’s very hard for Americans to have coaches who understand the Russian style like he does. He knows how they counter, what they look for, etc.

 

If he is the head coach and running the RTC practices on his own, it could be an issue. If he is a specialist coach who is humble enough to let others run practices, this could be game changing for the RTC

Are the RTC's part of the US Olympic system?  Micic does not compete for the USA.  Does the RTC system provide steady training for competitors of Team USA?  I know they will bring in foreign wrestlers at the request of and to train with specific Team USA wrestlers, but this is usually for a defined period of time, like a couple weeks or a month.

 

Edit: I found this on USA Wresting site regarding RTCs

 

All wrestlers participating in the RTC practice must meet the above criteria and must be current athlete members of USA Wrestling. * International athletes/coaches who currently represent a country other than the U.S. may attend on a limited basis based on approval of the NGB and RTC. These individuals must be of similar competitive caliber. These individuals may attend on an intermittent basis in order to enhance national team development.

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Are the RTC's part of the US Olympic system? Micic does not compete for the USA. Does the RTC system provide steady training for competitors of Team USA? I know they will bring in foreign wrestlers at the request of and to train with specific Team USA wrestlers, but this is usually for a defined period of time, like a couple weeks or a month.

 

Edit: I found this on USA Wresting site regarding RTCs

 

All wrestlers participating in the RTC practice must meet the above criteria and must be current athlete members of USA Wrestling. * International athletes/coaches who currently represent a country other than the U.S. may attend on a limited basis based on approval of the NGB and RTC. These individuals must be of similar competitive caliber. These individuals may attend on an intermittent basis in order to enhance national team development.

Micic goes to Michigan, so he can train there whenever he wants. I would expect he attends as many practices as the rules and his schedule allows.

 

We do this all the time in the US. Franklin Gomez trains full time at the PSU RTC, Dave Habat, the guy who eliminated Burroughs from the Olympics, etc.

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This is the problem with wrestling fans/administrators. The guy has been coaching since about 1987 and has never produced a World Champion, or even a world medalist. He's had sufficient time in his many stops, and every where he has gone he hasn't left in the best of circumstances. He definitely has a bit of a Michael Jordan complex. He was so good, he struggles coaching less-then-elite status.

 

If I'm not mistaken, he's the one that really MADE Cejudo. The inside trips, the level changes, low single, the vast repertoire we've never seen a Terry-coached guy have? That's all Beloglazov.

 

So, to Abdullahgadzhi's point... why isn't he coaching in Russia if he's such a good coach? I'd venture to say they create the world's best coaches, and it's not even close. And never once has he been invited to coach a team/area.

 

I think the CKWC could be a good fit, however, because of talent. He's going to love working with a McHenry, Silva, Micic, Abounader, Massa, Coon, Storr, etc. Those are all elite level talents.

 

We shouldn't just be enamored with his medals, he's proven himself to not be an elite "coach." I put that in parentheses because coaching is more than just technique. I think that's why Cejudo gives Terry as much credit as he does. Structure, discipline, trust, mentality, all those things are more important than technique, simply because its harder to teach.

 

ANYONE can coach technique. Getting an athlete to buy in and see them excel BECAUSE of that buy in? That's the hard part.

LMAO @ “anyone can coach technique”

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Yeah I’m assuming that means not literally anyone, but that competitor credentials aren’t an important component when determining if someone can teach technique.

This is true.

 

But I disagree with the notion that he only cares to work with the elite. When I was in eighth grade he worked with me on my single leg and taught me several slightly different finishing variations. He also spent time teaching my brother and I various leg turks. With that said, he wasn’t “coaching” but simply teaching technique. But, he taught simply and effectively.

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Are the RTC's part of the US Olympic system?  Micic does not compete for the USA.  Does the RTC system provide steady training for competitors of Team USA?  I know they will bring in foreign wrestlers at the request of and to train with specific Team USA wrestlers, but this is usually for a defined period of time, like a couple weeks or a month.

 

Edit: I found this on USA Wresting site regarding RTCs

 

All wrestlers participating in the RTC practice must meet the above criteria and must be current athlete members of USA Wrestling. * International athletes/coaches who currently represent a country other than the U.S. may attend on a limited basis based on approval of the NGB and RTC. These individuals must be of similar competitive caliber. These individuals may attend on an intermittent basis in order to enhance national team development.

 

Micic goes to Michigan, so he can train there whenever he wants. I would expect he attends as many practices as the rules and his schedule allows.

 

We do this all the time in the US. Franklin Gomez trains full time at the PSU RTC, Dave Habat, the guy who eliminated Burroughs from the Olympics, etc.

 

 

Is there a difference between a Michigan RTC practice and a CKWC practice? Or PSU RTC vs NLWC?

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No because they are one and the same. PSU’s RTC is called the NLWC.

 

 

That's not exactly the case.

The club can have pretty much anyone join.

The RTC is limited to people with some credentials (don't feel like looking them up). 

Also, the distances in which people are allowed to travel are different. The RTCs allow from a greater distance.

Obviously, they are same locations and generally same coaches although the RTCs may be more likely to bring in members of the national staff/ladder

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This is the problem with wrestling fans/administrators.  The guy has been coaching since about 1987 and has never produced a World Champion, or even a world medalist.  He's had sufficient time in his many stops, and every where he has gone he hasn't left in the best of circumstances.  He definitely has a bit of a Michael Jordan complex.  He was so good, he struggles coaching less-then-elite status.

 

If I'm not mistaken, he's the one that really MADE Cejudo.  The inside trips, the level changes, low single, the vast repertoire we've never seen a Terry-coached guy have?  That's all Beloglazov.  

 

So, to Abdullahgadzhi's point... why isn't he coaching in Russia if he's such a good coach?  I'd venture to say they create the world's best coaches, and it's not even close.  And never once has he been invited to coach a team/area.

 

I think the CKWC could be a good fit, however, because of talent.  He's going to love working with a McHenry, Silva, Micic, Abounader, Massa, Coon, Storr, etc.  Those are all elite level talents.  

 

We shouldn't just be enamored with his medals, he's proven himself to not be an elite "coach."  I put that in parentheses because coaching is more than just technique.  I think that's why Cejudo gives Terry as much credit as he does.  Structure, discipline, trust, mentality, all those things are more important than technique, simply because its harder to teach.

 

ANYONE can coach technique.  Getting an athlete to buy in and see them excel BECAUSE of that buy in?  That's the hard part.

Fair response.  

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This is the problem with wrestling fans/administrators.  The guy has been coaching since about 1987 and has never produced a World Champion, or even a world medalist.  He's had sufficient time in his many stops, and every where he has gone he hasn't left in the best of circumstances.  He definitely has a bit of a Michael Jordan complex.  He was so good, he struggles coaching less-then-elite status.

 

If I'm not mistaken, he's the one that really MADE Cejudo.  The inside trips, the level changes, low single, the vast repertoire we've never seen a Terry-coached guy have?  That's all Beloglazov.  

 

So, to Abdullahgadzhi's point... why isn't he coaching in Russia if he's such a good coach?  I'd venture to say they create the world's best coaches, and it's not even close.  And never once has he been invited to coach a team/area.

 

I think the CKWC could be a good fit, however, because of talent.  He's going to love working with a McHenry, Silva, Micic, Abounader, Massa, Coon, Storr, etc.  Those are all elite level talents.  

 

We shouldn't just be enamored with his medals, he's proven himself to not be an elite "coach."  I put that in parentheses because coaching is more than just technique.  I think that's why Cejudo gives Terry as much credit as he does.  Structure, discipline, trust, mentality, all those things are more important than technique, simply because its harder to teach.

 

ANYONE can coach technique.  Getting an athlete to buy in and see them excel BECAUSE of that buy in?  That's the hard part.

why is Russia need a bad coach like Beloglazov? He was fired in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Why is he in the Russian team? This is logical. Russian coaches won 11 world titles since 1992 in freestyle and 13 in greco. Beloglazov is amazing wrestler. I respect him and dont want say sh*t about his coach career. But...here people know him like coach who did not win in his career as a coach

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What makes you say that? I don’t know the guy, but I would think that being one of the best wrestlers of all time he would have to have some good coaching insight? I know being a good wrestler doesn’t mean you will be a good coach but it can’t hurt.

okay for CKWC Beloglazov is the best coach in USA history! YES! I will not discuss this any more. It's not pleasant for me to say negative things about Beloglazov here. He's a tough wrestler. Was once. That's all. 

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why is Russia need a bad coach like Beloglazov? He was fired in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Why is he in the Russian team? This is logical. Russian coaches won 11 world titles since 1992 in freestyle and 13 in greco. Beloglazov is amazing wrestler. I respect him and dont want say sh*t about his coach career. But...here people know him like coach who did not win in his career as a coach

 

That was me agreeing with you abdullah.  

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That's not exactly the case.

The club can have pretty much anyone join.

The RTC is limited to people with some credentials (don't feel like looking them up). 

Also, the distances in which people are allowed to travel are different. The RTCs allow from a greater distance.

Obviously, they are same locations and generally same coaches although the RTCs may be more likely to bring in members of the national staff/ladder

 

 

So do guys like Micic, Safarov, Chamizo, Gomez and Abounader need special permission from USA Wrestling to wrestle with the RTC practices? Going by the rule posted I say yes.

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So do guys like Micic, Safarov, Chamizo, Gomez and Abounader need special permission from USA Wrestling to wrestle with the RTC practices? Going by the rule posted I say yes.

 

My post was more about american college/hs kids entering. Looking back at what you posted, I would say yes also.

The interesting part is about where it says international guys can attend on a limited basis.

Micic is probably ok since there are more open rules for US college kids.

The rest have graduated (or as in Chamizo- were never US college). I don't really know how that works as far as training somewhere all the time like Gomez.

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Here is the full set of RTC rules. 

http://content.themat.com/CoachesCorner/RTC-criteria.pdf

 

Going off of this, it looks like Micic can only participate on a limited, intermittent basis (with the approval of the National Governing Board) in order to enhance the US national team development.  So, bringing in Beloglazov to work with and improve Micic goes against at least the spirit of the RTC, if not the letter of the law.

 

Now, if Beloglazov is truly just working with the Cliff Keen wrestling club, and that is separate from the RTC, then it probably isn't a problem.

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My post was more about american college/hs kids entering. Looking back at what you posted, I would say yes also.

The interesting part is about where it says international guys can attend on a limited basis.

Micic is probably ok since there are more open rules for US college kids.

The rest have graduated (or as in Chamizo- were never US college). I don't really know how that works as far as training somewhere all the time like Gomez.

 

I don't think Micic being in college has any bearing on his status as an international competitor. 

 

I find it pretty hard to believe this rule is being enforced as written. I don't necessarily agree with the rule as written but if that is what is on the books I believe it should be enforced (or changed).

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