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wrestler A: 4x district champ, region 5, 1,1, 3. state dnq, 3, 2, 2

wrestler B: did not start as freshman, district 3, 1, 1. region 3, 1, 1. state dnp, 1, 1

wrestler C: did not start as freshman, district 3, 1, 1. region 3, 2, 2. state dnp, 3, 2

wrestler D: district 5, 2, 3, 1. region dnq, 2, 5, 1. state dnq, dnp, dnq, 1.

rank 'em.

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OK - I will give it a shot.  My thoughts are assuming they are all in the same high school classification (AA, AAA, etc):

B - A - C - D (the last 2 are tough)

Thoughts:

B - 3 time qualifier, 2 time champ in 3 years on varsity - pretty good IMHO

A - 4 time district champ and 3 time qualifier is impressive, but the lack of a gold puts him clearly behind B

C - 2 time district champ and 2 medals, making it to finals once puts him ahead of D

D - made the dance twice, winning once, but thats the only medal.  I could see switching him with C, especially if it was C that he beat in that final he won

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Top ranked is B.  Two time state champ.

Second is D. One time state champ.

Third is A. Two time runner-up at state.

Last ranked is C. Runner-up at state once.

 

I don't take into consideration Sectional/District/Regional competition.  It's all about state accomplishments.  

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7 minutes ago, stp said:

Top ranked is B.  Two time state champ.

Second is D. One time state champ.

Third is A. Two time runner-up at state.

Last ranked is C. Runner-up at state once.

 

I don't take into consideration Sectional/District/Regional competition.  It's all about state accomplishments.  

hear ya but does 3,2,2 at state outweigh the one state title?  (comparing D and A)

appreciate the response either way

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11 hours ago, KTG119 said:

hear ya but does 3,2,2 at state outweigh the one state title?  (comparing D and A)

appreciate the response either way

To me, no.  Winning the title trumps all the placements.

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57 minutes ago, BigTenFanboy said:

Rank this...

4x State Runner Up with only career losses taking place in state finals.

vs

1x State Champ who never qualified for states until senior year.

Still going with the champ.  I'd like to hear from individuals who achieved your comparison.  Would the 4x runner up trade for a single state title, or would the one time champ trade his title for a handful of placements....?

just my opinion.

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0 time state champ and 0 time finalist here. Every time I see the guy that won my bracket walking around at the state tournament with glitter jeans and a gut, I feel thankful that I ended up where I did. Undoubtedly, he had the better high school career (but I probably had more college wins). Thank God that's not what matters.

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2 hours ago, stp said:

Still going with the champ.  I'd like to hear from individuals who achieved your comparison.  Would the 4x runner up trade for a single state title, or would the one time champ trade his title for a handful of placements....?

just my opinion.

But the question is who had the better career.

A Career is a large body of work over an extended period of time.

In my opinion the 4x runner up had the better career. The 1x champ ended up being the better wrestler by accomplishing the better feat..

 

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4 hours ago, BigTenFanboy said:

But the question is who had the better career.

A Career is a large body of work over an extended period of time.

In my opinion the 4x runner up had the better career. The 1x champ ended up being the better wrestler by accomplishing the better feat..

 

I can accept that.  My opinion is also influenced by someone who placed at state multiple times, between two different sports.  Best they ever did at state was runner-up, placing four times, while competing seven.    They said, "ones pinnacle performance during their career, is remembered most." 

So I looked at it another way; it's hard to name all of David Taylor's finals opponents for his 4x Ohio state titles, just off of memory.   You can more easily remember who he wrestled in the Ironman finals. 

Lets rank David Taylor's Ironman finals opponents:

1. Logan Stieber

2. Boris Novochkov

3. *had to look up who he beat in his Senior year - Joey Watko.           

4.  Jamie Clark

Why do I keep bringing up individual accomplishments?  They are remembered most, over ones career.  

 

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stp I started this thread on the HS forum and you have been adamant that champ trumps all, so I'll ask if that holds for collegiate comparison between Iowa 'mates Whitmer and Mena.

Mena NCAA 7, 3, 5, 2

Whitmer behind Mena for 3 years finally starts when Mena moves up, champ as senior.  

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2 hours ago, KTG119 said:

stp I started this thread on the HS forum and you have been adamant that champ trumps all, so I'll ask if that holds for collegiate comparison between Iowa 'mates Whitmer and Mena.

Mena NCAA 7, 3, 5, 2

Whitmer behind Mena for 3 years finally starts when Mena moves up, champ as senior.  

Honestly, college or HS does not matter.  Same opinion.  Going with the one-time champ.   Wonder if coach Mena is on themat, curious if he'd trade four placements for a lone title.  

 

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On 11/8/2018 at 5:34 PM, HokieHWT said:

1, 1, 1, 2

0, 0, 0, 1

Same weight class, this really happened in 2000.

 

On 11/13/2018 at 6:15 PM, PSUMike said:

What are you referring to? I'm curious. 

PSUMike, I think HokieHWT is referring to Bobby Ingram and Dalton Head. Ingram was going for his 4th Virginia AAA state title that year and Head denied him in state finals. I'll trust HokieHWT's recall that Head had never placed prior to that year. 

small world ish I think Head is now the head coach at Cox HS which is where Ingram wrestled back when they were battling it out.  

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8 hours ago, KTG119 said:

 

PSUMike, I think HokieHWT is referring to Bobby Ingram and Dalton Head. Ingram was going for his 4th Virginia AAA state title that year and Head denied him in state finals. I'll trust HokieHWT's recall that Head had never placed prior to that year. 

small world ish I think Head is now the head coach at Cox HS which is where Ingram wrestled back when they were battling it out.  

Yes! I'm pretty sure Dalton didn't place before, his twin, Geoff did. They were teammates of mine at VT after JMU dropped the program. Great dudes. Dalton just took over at Cox and should do well since Geoff is running the program at the middle school that filters in.

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1 hour ago, stp said:

Would you rather be Tariq Wilson who never won a HS state title, but earned AA status in college or a HS (multiple) state champ, who never AA's?

Easy... if you bloom late, and become relatively better in college and can muster an AA? I'll take that level of achievement over a State Title.  

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On 11/9/2018 at 10:22 AM, stp said:

Honestly, college or HS does not matter.  Same opinion.  Going with the one-time champ.   Wonder if coach Mena is on themat, curious if he'd trade four placements for a lone title.  

 

Ok how about Jason Tsirtsis who went 1,3,DNP, 7

Or Sam Hazewinkle 3,3,3,2

Who had the better college career?

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What is considered the largest, non state related HS tourny out there?   Fargo or the Freestyle/Greco Jr. Nationals route?

 

Would you rather win Jr Nats, Fargo or a HS state title?  The HS title may have separate divisions.

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Fargo IS Jr Nats (FS/Greco).

Do you mean NHSCA/Va Beach/HS Nats?

I believe that Fargo still has more entrants if you count up entrants to each event (Jr FS/JR Greco/Jr Girls--Cadet FS/Cadet Greco/Cadet Girls) but since  you are able to compete in both FS and Greco NHSCA has more different wrestlers. Both show 4000+.

 

However, the NHSCA duals around Memorial Day shows around 5000- which I think may be the 2nd largest event in the world to the big Mongolian Naadam- about 6000 in 2011.

 

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