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24 minutes ago, The Genius said:

Pumped for Yaz, he crushed Kurugliev who beat Naifonov. Skill wise Yaz is for sure the best in the division, lets not forget he was at 70kg not long ago. He's got just under 2 years to work on his conditioning to beat DT in 2020, but full credit to DT the man is a beast

Hadi was great too, finally restoring a little dignity for Iranian FS wrestling

Geno vs Deng was a mismatch that should never have happened, Hadi beat Deng 7-0 at the Asian Games just 2 months ago ffs 

His skill really showed in that second period against DT. I’ll take Taylor every time. 

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World Wrestling Championships Men's Freestyle Team Standings (after 4 weight classes)

1. United States, 70 points

2. Russia, 65

3. Georgia, 55

4. Iran, 40

5. Turkey, 38

6. Cuba, 27

7. China, 20

8. India, 16

9. Spain, Mongolia, Uzbekistan, 15

 

hopefully Karimi and Akbari get two more bronzes tomorrow and Iran can get into the top 3 

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2 minutes ago, Ogalthorpe Haywood said:

His skill really showed in that second period against DT. I’ll take Taylor every time. 

no, his skill showed in the first period when he led 6-2, then he gassed out and DT had far superior conditioning and took over and won

full credit to Taylor he deserves the gold, but can't deny how big a factor his superior conditioning was

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1 minute ago, The Genius said:

no, his skill showed in the first period when he led 6-2, then he gassed out and DT had far superior conditioning and took over and won

full credit to Taylor he deserves the gold, but can't deny how big a factor his superior conditioning was

This is ridiculous. It’s a six minute match. That’s like saying “colon showed his superior skill when he reversed YBR”. 

 

Its cherry picking

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Just now, nyum said:

This is ridiculous. It’s a six minute match. That’s like saying “colon showed his superior skill when he reversed YBR”. 

 

Its cherry picking

absolutely and conditioning is one of the requirements, hence DT won fair and square and thoroughly deserved to win, especially considering the tough run of matches he had he left no doubt. 

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I was listening to the Yaz vs. Russia match...you could hear what the Russian coach was saying. He was saying constantly "don't tie up, don't tie up", yet Kurugliev goes and ties up.

The coach was going insane. Actually few times that Kurugliev listened to the coach, e.g., "shoot now", he scored. At this weight it seems Taylor and Yaz are in a league of their own.

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49 minutes ago, wfan24 said:

I was listening to the Yaz vs. Russia match...you could hear what the Russian coach was saying. He was saying constantly "don't tie up, don't tie up", yet Kurugliev goes and ties up.

The coach was going insane. Actually few times that Kurugliev listened to the coach, e.g., "shoot now", he scored. At this weight it seems Taylor and Yaz are in a league of their own.

This actually tells why Taylor is better than Yazdani. Yaz can tie Kurugliev up because Kurugliev doesn't have the skills to score from space, so he has to tie up with Yaz because that is where his own offense is generated. He's just not as good at it as Yaz.

The reason Yaz gets ahead at the start of matches with Taylor is that he still has the energy to close that space, but after two minutes of closing the space and trying to keep hands on Taylor he wears out simply bacause chasing a guy who wants to be in that space and has the athletic skill to stay there is harder than keeping hands on Kurugliev. David can operate from that space he needs and tire Yaz out and it is then game over. 

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1 hour ago, The Genius said:

no, his skill showed in the first period when he led 6-2, then he gassed out and DT had far superior conditioning and took over and won

full credit to Taylor he deserves the gold, but can't deny how big a factor his superior conditioning was

I don't believe Yazdani's skill level is higher than Taylor's.  His main weapon is the underhook.  Taylor has a vast offensive arsenal and has added creative folkstyle moves and turns to his chain wrestling and scrambling skills (which are first rate world level).  Yazdani starts out strong (too strong against DT) but then fades.  I've run in marathons and half-marathons where guys go out crazy in the first few miles and then crash and burn.  It's a 6 minute match (or 26 mile race as the case may be).   For whatever reason and by his own admission afterwards, Taylor may not have performed at his best (highest level) in this tournament (at least compared to Yarygin, the World Cup, and Yosar Dogu), but he got the job done.  He outscored opponents 33-0 in the second period.  That is party conditioning, but it is also pacing, experience, the ability to adjust, and knowing how to close out a match or come from behind. 

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On various Russian boards before the tournament people did not want Kurugliev participating; they believe Naifonov is the future. I think he would not have done better. Noone is stopping Taylor now, but its clear Kurugliev will likely not be the Russian rep in the future.

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3 hours ago, The Genius said:

no, his skill showed in the first period when he led 6-2, then he gassed out and DT had far superior conditioning and took over and won

full credit to Taylor he deserves the gold, but can't deny how big a factor his superior conditioning was

HaHa.  Taylor has beaten Yaz twice.  Badly each time!  Bad-ly! 

Yaz has one series...underhook with head on the opposite side.  

 

Other than his underhook, his main weapon is tiring his opponent out, and then going to his offense.  He can't tire Taylor out, and Taylor is able to score using a variety of offensive moves.  Variety... more skill than heavy hands and an underhook.  Sorry, your guy lost, he's arguably top 10 p4p in the world, but not as good as DT.

Edited by AHamilton

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I think it's pretty obvious Taylor is better than Yazdani. At least for this tournament. Very happy for DT, it's a long time coming and well deserved for him to finally be the World Champ.

Edited by TobusRex

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Just re-watched Dake's semifinal win.. and watching the body language and reactions of Gadzimogomedov after both tosses is pretty entertaining. He seems completely dumfounded by what is taking place. Almost seems to be asking the ref "WTF happened?" there at the end.

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