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UPDATED USA CAREER RANKINGS

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The group of US wrestlers who won 3+ world-level titles are:

  • John Smith (6)
  • Jordan Burroughs (5)
  • Bruce Baumgartner (5)
  • Kyle Snyder (3)
  • Kevin Jackson (3)
  • Mark Schultz (3)
  • Lee Kemp (3)

Kemp sort of got screwed. He was in his prime in 1980, but did not get to compete at the Olympics due to the boycott.

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14 hours ago, Plasmodium said:

Don't forget the reduction to 6 in 2016

Down to six Olympic weights, yes. There were two additional weights that UWW held a competition for that year.

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The first thing that I notice when looking at this is that you factor in the NCAA's. How does that compare to Junior Worlds? How would you have evaluated someone like Pico if he stayed in wrestling? Right now you have more points for Jesse Delgado's career than Pico's and he would be tied with Joe Colon. Junior Worlds seem more relevant. 

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3 hours ago, russelscout said:

The first thing that I notice when looking at this is that you factor in the NCAA's. How does that compare to Junior Worlds? How would you have evaluated someone like Pico if he stayed in wrestling? Right now you have more points for Jesse Delgado's career than Pico's and he would be tied with Joe Colon. Junior Worlds seem more relevant. 

I think one of the problems using specific events in quantifying a ranking systems is that not every wrestler has the same opportunity to compete in the same number of events because they didn't exist for every generation. While todays modern era wrestlers have the advantage in the number events that could earn points they are dealing with changing weight classes and number of weights, evolving rules, diplomaitic decisions, nation building, amateurism rules, and a variety of other factors.

I do think the wrestlers before 1951 don't get the credit they deserve because of lack of opportunity when compiling all time rankings. Think of the different era's of baseball players and how the game has changed when comparing stats from decade to decade. 

In looking to compliment FT rankings I looked for constant events. Olympic Greco (1896), Olympic Freestyle (1904), Greco World Championships (1904), NCAA Wrestling Championships (1928), and Freestyle World Championships (1951) are the oldest. As they are pushing 50 years and into a third generation of wrestlers I can see the argument for including the University World Championships (1968), Junior World Championships (1971), and Cadet World Championships (1975). Not sure what to do with World Cups; USA Wrestling - NUWAY age level national championships, Sr/Jr/So/Fr Nationals but can see the argument as they are national/international events. I do have a hard time quantifying or comparing state championships and placements as not all states are equal.

Found this searchable database when looking for history of University/Junior/Cadet World Championships.

https://unitedworldwrestling.org/database

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Bummer, the Sanders video wouldn't work.  He was one of the first superstars I was able to watch.  They called him unorthodox at the time.  He was amazing.  I was the only person in the world who thought the story of his death was just a little too weird.  He supposedly had set a Russian's hair on fire at a weigh-in.  Tales of chugging vodka in front of his Russian opponent after making weight, were circulating.  He was the first anit-hero as well as funky before funk.  Back in the days when you were a byGawd  United States free willed man representing anything anti-Russian.  I'd like to see if he still looks so amazing  nearly 50 years later.  You inspired me to search youtube.

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Peso said:

Bummer, the Sanders video wouldn't work.  He was one of the first superstars I was able to watch.  They called him unorthodox at the time.  He was amazing.  I was the only person in the world who thought the story of his death was just a little too weird.  He supposedly had set a Russian's hair on fire at a weigh-in.  Tales of chugging vodka in front of his Russian opponent after making weight, were circulating.  He was the first anit-hero as well as funky before funk.  Back in the days when you were a byGawd  United States free willed man representing anything anti-Russian.  I'd like to see if he still looks so amazing  nearly 50 years later.  You inspired me to search youtube.

The video is there, you just have to watch it on youtube (not embedded on this website).

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On 11/4/2018 at 9:50 AM, jchapman said:

Gotta value the non-Olympic World medals lower.  

You seem to forget how freakin' tired you get in a 7 + minute match, with some gorilla on your back pounding you down to the earth if he can, and you can't candy-@$$ it underneath ( I'm talking NCAA points could be more, just saying)

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