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Fix vs Gross/Lizak this weekend

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Predictions...

I'll say Gross is just too nasty, the mat wrestling and scrambling is too much for Fix to overcome after having one foot in freestyle for so long. 

I don't think Lizak has as many tools as Gross, and I think Fix will be smart enough to stay off his back, so he'll take a close, tactical match match. 

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9 hours ago, headshuck said:

Lizak has scored about 300 back points on Piccinniccii so you’d think OkState would be have figured out Lizak by now.

yeah thanks to picc they got good film on all 89 of the lizard's top moves.  The fix is in for the lizak this weekend.  He may be eating better but is still in full hybrination mode & won't shed his old skin till March, but look out then!  :)

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Lizak may end up being even better at 133. 

He generqlly could go on the feet with anyone (besides Lee and Suriano) prior to getting tired. At 133 he may never get tired. 

I think he will have to get his turns going to beat Micic and Suriano, but he may be even on the feet with Gross. Tariq and Fix are unknown right now, but could both give Lizak similar trouble. 

I think Lizak is way more consistent this year due to the smaller weight cut and ends up placing top 5

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9 hours ago, Housebuye said:

Lizak may end up being even better at 133. 

He generqlly could go on the feet with anyone (besides Lee and Suriano) prior to getting tired. At 133 he may never get tired. 

I think he will have to get his turns going to beat Micic and Suriano, but he may be even on the feet with Gross. Tariq and Fix are unknown right now, but could both give Lizak similar trouble. 

I think Lizak is way more consistent this year due to the smaller weight cut and ends up placing top 5

He got crushed on the feet in the first period in the first matchup with Picc last year.  He is nowhere near Gross in neutral.  

Additionally, he has been awesome at NCAAs and good everywhere else.  The fact that he's been at his best at a 3 day tournament at the end of 4 months of weight cutting says weight was not an issue holding him back.  He obviously cuts a lot but he may just be a guy who is awesome at cutting weight.  Dieringer was a giant his last year at 157 but the cut never affected him that year.  Some guys just cut weight really well.

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2 hours ago, LordNelson said:


True. Notice how PSU or Iowa aren’t involved.


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Great point LordNelson. I enjoy watching & following both those teams but College Wrestling needs more than just the Hawkeyes and the Nittany Lions to capture the interest of fans. 

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I dont like his chances, especially with both matches being on the road. Both are kind of a nightmare for him stylistically, but with the right game plan he could beat both. 

Gross and Lizak are underrated on their feet because they're both known for their top work (and scrambling for Gross)

Dont forget, Gross has never lost in college to Brock- a takedown specialist for Okie St; and scored the opening Td in the NCAA finals v Micic last year- who is considered very well rounded. Just as well, even in matches that Gross has been lit up on his feet he has found ways to win (NCAA Semis, and Finals). As for upper body, I cant think of the last time I saw him get tossed, or bodied in general - maybe the ncaa semis? That would have been off of transitions from leg attacks even. That being said, I dont think the gap is too terribly wide between he and Daton.

I would give my take on Daton and Lizak, but Im not as big a fan of Lizak as I am of Gross (so there is my admitted bias), and I've become tired of typing.    

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23 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said:

I hate to be so simplistic but Fix is much much tougher than Brock. Brock is an artist at finding ways to lose.

Right. My point was just that he (Gross) isnt as deficient on his feet as perceived. 

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