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6 hours ago, lu_alum said:


I stated the same when he made the transfer to Rutgers.

When it’s all over, Darian Cruz will have more NCAA titles than Nikki Sorryano.


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When it's all over Darian Cruz will have more NCAA titles than probably 99% of the guys who ever wrestled in college.

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7 hours ago, DEFan79 said:

Yeah, I don't think anyone here believes that you're "not really a Suriano fan."  And if you respected his ability you would stop overstating it.

And watching the Lee/Suriano match for maybe the 20th time, I am more than ever convinced that you have no idea what you are talking about. If you think Suriano's shot was a "beautiful misdirect", then I don't know what to tell you.  Lee saw it coming, neutralized it quickly, and turned it to his advantage And yes, Suriano was in desperation territory because he had done nothing the entire match, and seemed afraid to even attempt anything meaningful down 3-0 in the 2nd period.

Regarding Nolf, the fact that you would even bring up a completely dominant then 2 time Big10 and NCAA champ in comparison to Suriano, proves that you are the biggest wide-eyed fanboy on here. As you noted, Suriano had an infection, which was gone by the time he wrestled his first match at the Big10s, which we won. He was healthy, otherwise he wouldn't have wrestled.  Unless you are somehow claiming that the Rutgers coaching staff willingly put him in danger. Nolf had earned the right to make that call, Suriano had not.

No, he ducked because he didn't want to take a loss. That mentality has dogged him for years since he swore off freestyle after losing a close match to a younger Fix.  Deal with it. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Your lack of logic here is insane lol. Whether or not he finished the misdirection shot has nothing to do with whether it was a good shot in the first place. I don't get why you think it's convincing to project thoughts onto wrestlers that you have no support for. "Lee saw it coming" What? lol If Lee saw it coming, Suriano would not have gotten to the leg and then to the corner. Lee is not a scramble specialist who thrives with people on his legs (though he is very good once he's there). He's never been a guy who willingly gives up his legs to scramble for takedowns, especially in a close NCAA finals match. Also I linked another point in the match where Suriano got his hands to the legs multiple times, nearly finishing a takedown. Apparently, attacking Lee's legs is "doing nothing" for you. Also, if you can't understand how the infection affected Suriano, then I don't know what to say other than I've got some prime beach front property in Kansas to sell you. It's obviously not the physical pain of the infection that affects Suriano on match day. It's the havoc it wreaked on his immune system and the 2-3 week training gap that happened right before the tournament. Now, maybe you've never had a serious illness before or maybe you didn't wrestle, but anybody who has done either of those things would know that it often takes a few weeks for energy/strength levels to return following a serious illness (See Spencer Lee this past weekend) and that an extended lack of training can seriously inhibit performance (See MIcic at CKLV last year vs. the rest of the season) even if the physical pain may be manageable. BTW, notice how I cite specific examples when I argue my points instead of ascribing phantom psychological motivations like "Lee saw it coming, therefore it was a desperation shot" or that "Suriano is a headcase because he occasionally fails to score big points against top competition" even though he's only actually lost two of those matches, both to world class guys.

I don't think I've overstated Suriano's ability by maintaining he could have beaten guys like Cruz, Lizak, and Mueller (who, you know, he's already beaten) and guys like Josh Rodriguez who's results have never even approached Suriano's. If you think predicting somebody to repeat victories over people he won comfortably against is overstating, then fine I guess, but I think that says a lot more about you than me. Suriano is probably a top 4 guy at 133 and can potentially be beat by guys outside of the top 4 (Gross, Micic, and Fix imo) like Pletcher who is hard to score on and Lizak who is always dangerous, but definitely an underdog. I think the seeding will be huge at this weight. I think Suriano is a tough matchup for Gross, but that Micic may be a tough match up for Suriano. I think Fix has a better chance against Suriano than Gross or Micic because those guys can get to his legs and scramble with him. I will be rooting for MIcic who I grew up watching wrestle in Indiana and has been one of my favorite non-hawkeyes for a while. One of my favorite state tournament matches was his domination as a senior of a young, upstart and undefeated freshman, Nick Lee, in the semis.

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Suriano's Phillipi win was solid. He consistently got to his legs and finished against a borderline top 5 guy. 

It doesn't tell us much about Suriano vs Fix, Gross or Tariq, but I'd be surprised if anyone else ever put Suriano in danger (including Pletcher)

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3 hours ago, Housebuye said:

Suriano's Phillipi win was solid. He consistently got to his legs and finished against a borderline top 5 guy. 

It doesn't tell us much about Suriano vs Fix, Gross or Tariq, but I'd be surprised if anyone else ever put Suriano in danger (including Pletcher)

Yeah, I see him beating Pletcher 3-2 or 4-2 as well.  

The way Suriano wrestled in his close match with Erneste leads me to believe that Gross, Micic and Fix have a definite edge over him. Wilson would be another close match and is definitely capable of scoring a takedown against him, but I would give the Suriano the slight edge.

It may be moot about Fix though, because I am hearing he will be wrestling at 125 come tournament time. 

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43 minutes ago, DEFan79 said:

Yeah, I see him beating Pletcher 3-2 or 4-2 as well.  

The way Suriano wrestled in his close match with Erneste leads me to believe that Gross, Micic and Fix have a definite edge over him. Wilson would be another close match and is definitely capable of scoring a takedown against him, but I would give the Suriano the slight edge.

It may be moot about Fix though, because I am hearing he will be wrestling at 125 come tournament time. 

Switching with NP?  Or is Nick out and Brock moving down.  

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I don't get why you'd wait until halfway through the year to do something like that.   Picc shouldn't be making 125 over and over if he's going 133 for the second half. 

Any word on Boo's injury?  It looked bad when it happened...

 

 

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125 Fix 133 Brock 141 Gfeller 149 Boo 157 Shomers 165 Rodgers 174 Jacobe 184 Geer 197 Weigel HWT White  
Might be the 2nd place team this year

Still no room for Joseph Smith.


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11 hours ago, qc8223 said:

Your lack of logic here is insane lol. Whether or not he finished the misdirection shot has nothing to do with whether it was a good shot in the first place. I don't get why you think it's convincing to project thoughts onto wrestlers that you have no support for. "Lee saw it coming" What? lol If Lee saw it coming, Suriano would not have gotten to the leg and then to the corner. Lee is not a scramble specialist who thrives with people on his legs (though he is very good once he's there). He's never been a guy who willingly gives up his legs to scramble for takedowns, especially in a close NCAA finals match. Also I linked another point in the match where Suriano got his hands to the legs multiple times, nearly finishing a takedown. Apparently, attacking Lee's legs is "doing nothing" for you. Also, if you can't understand how the infection affected Suriano, then I don't know what to say other than I've got some prime beach front property in Kansas to sell you. It's obviously not the physical pain of the infection that affects Suriano on match day. It's the havoc it wreaked on his immune system and the 2-3 week training gap that happened right before the tournament. Now, maybe you've never had a serious illness before or maybe you didn't wrestle, but anybody who has done either of those things would know that it often takes a few weeks for energy/strength levels to return following a serious illness (See Spencer Lee this past weekend) and that an extended lack of training can seriously inhibit performance (See MIcic at CKLV last year vs. the rest of the season) even if the physical pain may be manageable. BTW, notice how I cite specific examples when I argue my points instead of ascribing phantom psychological motivations like "Lee saw it coming, therefore it was a desperation shot" or that "Suriano is a headcase because he occasionally fails to score big points against top competition" even though he's only actually lost two of those matches, both to world class guys

This post sums up exactly why I think he is a head case.

Can't anyone ever just lose?

Always some excuse for a loss.  Hate this crap.

I've taken the time to compile a list of guys that were 100% at the NCAA Tournament last season, please respect my research and read the list in full:

 

 

  

....that's it.  Thanks for the time.

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6 hours ago, DEFan79 said:

I actually heard that the plan is 125 Fix, 133 Picc, and 141 Brock, with Gfeller the odd man out.  Not sure if that makes sense, I guess we'll see

Fix has already started the season at 133 and looks great. Picc has looked solid at 125. I don't see any reason John would fiddle with those guys as they are.

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3 hours ago, LordNelson said:

This post sums up exactly why I think he is a head case.

Can't anyone ever just lose?

Always some excuse for a loss.  Hate this crap.

I've taken the time to compile a list of guys that were 100% at the NCAA Tournament last season, please respect my research and read the list in full:

 

 

  

....that's it.  Thanks for the time.

Exactly.

Arguably, Suriano was fresher for the NCAA for not having to go through the grinder at the end of the season and Big 10a

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31 minutes ago, WF89 said:

Suriano looks like a clown for calling out Micic for not stepping on the mat in Vegas.  Has he already forgot that he didn’t take the mat at Big10’s against Lizak.

They talked about it on Floradio today and said that Micic was working out with Michigan in Vegas and that's what it stems from

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1 minute ago, justafan said:

They talked about it on Floradio today and said that Micic was working out with Michigan in Vegas and that's what it stems from

Right, and Suriano wrestled and won the match before he was to meet Lizak.  

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26 minutes ago, WF89 said:

Right, and Suriano wrestled and won the match before he was to meet Lizak.  

Did the same to Welch and Rivera.The plan at Big 10 was for him to wrestle 1 match lock up a spot to the tournament the injury default out. 

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17 hours ago, DEFan79 said:

Yeah, I see him beating Pletcher 3-2 or 4-2 as well.  

The way Suriano wrestled in his close match with Erneste leads me to believe that Gross, Micic and Fix have a definite edge over him. Wilson would be another close match and is definitely capable of scoring a takedown against him, but I would give the Suriano the slight edge.

It may be moot about Fix though, because I am hearing he will be wrestling at 125 come tournament time

I'm going to have to ask you to name names.

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On 12/5/2018 at 7:39 AM, unbiased said:

 

I'm holding out for a more reliable source.

While I can't give the person's name, I can say that it is someone that is friends with Fix. Still, take it with a grain of salt, because this person also said over the summer that Fix would be starting the season at 125, which obviously didn't happen.

 

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13 minutes ago, DEFan79 said:

While I can't give the person's name, I can say that it is someone that is friends with Fix. Still, take it with a grain of salt, because this person also said over the summer that Fix would be starting the season at 125, which obviously didn't happen.

 

Much appreciated. I'm just happy to hear it wasn't from flo.

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