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He seems to get a lot of love, at least by Flo.  Guys always seem hyped about how he good he is and how else will shake things up.  

He’s good.  No doubt.  But given the hype, my general feeling is that he underwhelms me.  

Help correct me!  What highs has he had in college?  Huge wins, consistent big wins, great placements ... 

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It's all about his family lineage... that's really it.  

Kinda like how all the Sanderson's were hyped at one point, but really... only Cael was Cael.  Kinda like how all the Jordan's are hyped... Are they "good"?  Oh hell yes.  Are they as good as their catalyst/patriarch?  Nah... 

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Smith was more than family hype, although that was part of it.  He was freshman hype as well.  As a true freshman he RS'd and was undefeated until Reno where he lost to IMar but had an offensive TD and looked competitive.  This was before IMar had ever lost.  Then he lost a relatively close one to Nolf at the Scuffle.  So he was a true freshman in RS with a number of solid wins and a few encouraging losses.  This was all a monster improvement curve for a guy who had not been an elite HS kid despite his lineage.  That put the Freshman hype train in full swing and would have done so if his last name was something else.  Ultimately he came out of RS, got hurt, got a staph infection in the hurt knee, and has never looked as good as he did the first half of his true freshman year.  The years since have been filled with injuries, weight issues, cardio issues, zero improvement, and possibly some HEW.  Despite all of that he's AAd in every NCAA he entered and has a chance to be a 4X AA.  He'll never be what it looked like he might be as a true freshman, but that's still not a bad career up to this point for a kid in the shadow of the greatest American wrestler ever.  

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10 minutes ago, boconnell said:

Smith was more than family hype, although that was part of it.  He was freshman hype as well.  As a true freshman he RS'd and was undefeated until Reno where he lost to IMar but had an offensive TD and looked competitive.  This was before IMar had ever lost.  Then he lost a relatively close one to Nolf at the Scuffle.  So he was a true freshman in RS with a number of solid wins and a few encouraging losses.  This was all a monster improvement curve for a guy who had not been an elite HS kid despite his lineage.  That put the Freshman hype train in full swing and would have done so if his last name was something else.  Ultimately he came out of RS, got hurt, got a staph infection in the hurt knee, and has never looked as good as he did the first half of his true freshman year.  The years since have been filled with injuries, weight issues, cardio issues, zero improvement, and possibly some HEW.  Despite all of that he's AAd in every NCAA he entered and has a chance to be a 4X AA.  He'll never be what it looked like he might be as a true freshman, but that's still not a bad career up to this point for a kid in the shadow of the greatest American wrestler ever.  

This is pretty spot on. Joe was a big recruit because he had high level results in HS and a wide variety of skills to match. He looked really good as a freshman and I think most thought he would be the top challenger to Nolf the next 3 years. Injuries and weight struggles have really slowed his development, but he is still very solid. "Bad" Joe Smith was still a mid-level AA competitive with anybody not named Nolf. Very curious to see how he stacks up at 174. He's skilled, but it's a deep weight and he hasn't been firing on all cylinders for a while now. The beat down he put on Drew Hughes has my attention though. 

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