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What do you think? Looking at the South Beach Duals and the 16 teams that are there this could really be a premier event if

they made it a dual tournament with an overall champion. Would be a good chance they could sell the semi's and finals

to a network as a national TV broadcast.

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The coaches are probably there partly to avoid meatgrinders of Midlands and Scuffle. So I doubt if anyone wants 6 duals.

So I think a 16 team tournament only makes sense if it is an everyone gets exactly 4 meets event.

The other thing they would like to avoid is rematches of teams seen in season, so you want to avoid Lehigh-Cornell, Va-NC-NCS, Minn-Ind-Purdue-MSU etc, You might be able to avoid that with switches in the consolations (who really cares if a team finishes 12-13?  But the championship needs to be true. 

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South Beach Duals 12-29-30-2018

Lehigh will wrestle 4 duals this weekend (Minnesota, Missouri, North Carolina and Virginia) at the South Beach Duals.  This will be the first time this season, Lehigh has had a somewhat full team and will give The Mountain Hawks an opportunity to see how they shape up against some top competition, with a fairly full team.  Only 125 (Schram) and 133 (S. Parker) will be missing potential starters.  Below please see the wrestlers for each team per Track Wrestling which is offering Streaming for $19.95.

 

Lehigh                                       Minnesota                    Missouri                               N. Carolina                 Virginia

125: J. Lane,                             Russell                          Smith,                                  Heilman                       Mueller    

         Resnick                                                                   Valdiviez

133: Farro,                                 Lizak                             Erneste,                               Harding,                        Hayes

         Paetzel                                                                    Hart                                      Szymanksi

141: Karam,                              McKee,                          Eierman                                Hernandez,                   Krivus,

        Pomrinca                          Jones                                                                            Headlee                        Hart

                                                                                                                                                                                 Kiyono

149: Schuyler,                          Thorn                              Mauller,                                   O’Connor,                    Murphy,

         Hoffman                                                                  Stigall                                      McClure                       Martino

157: Humphreys,                    Bleise,                             Jacques                                  Davidson                     Keating

         K. Lane                            Patton

165: GF Wolf                            Brolsma                           Flynn,                                      Monday,                      Coy

                                                                                            Fortuna                                   McDonald

174: Kutler,                              Skatzka,                           Lewis                                        Kane                           Patrick,

         Gallick                              O’Reilly                                                                                                                  Peck

                                                                                                                                                                                  Kinsey

184: Preisch,                           Webster,                          Wisman,                                     Ness                          Shaney

         Weiler,                             Krone                                Mariott                                                                          McClure

         Price

197: Jakobsen,                      Anderson,                        Watkins,                             Queen,                                Aiello

         Gentile                            Streifel                              Kelling                                 Blair

285: Wood,                             Steveson                           Elam,                                   Daniel                                  Love,

         Lacombe                                                                   Jiovenetta,                                                                      Scherer                                                                                                           Bohlken                                                                              

Edited by Cary by the Lake

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3 hours ago, RichB said:

The coaches are probably there partly to avoid meatgrinders of Midlands and Scuffle. So I doubt if anyone wants 6 duals.

So I think a 16 team tournament only makes sense if it is an everyone gets exactly 4 meets event.

The other thing they would like to avoid is rematches of teams seen in season, so you want to avoid Lehigh-Cornell, Va-NC-NCS, Minn-Ind-Purdue-MSU etc, You might be able to avoid that with switches in the consolations (who really cares if a team finishes 12-13?  But the championship needs to be true. 

RichB nailed it. 

The 2 Coaches that were instrumental in creating this event (Rob Koll & Brian Smith) have no desire to make this a bracketed/meat-grinder event.  The purpose is/was to get their wrestlers matches during the Holiday break with the "flexibility" to dual opponents of THEIR choosing.  And Florida is a nice late-December destination.

This has become a nice Event in just a few years and serves the purpose for all participating Teams.

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58 minutes ago, Show_Me said:

RichB nailed it. 

The 2 Coaches that were instrumental in creating this event (Rob Koll & Brian Smith) have no desire to make this a bracketed/meat-grinder event.  The purpose is/was to get their wrestlers matches during the Holiday break with the "flexibility" to dual opponents of THEIR choosing.  And Florida is a nice late-December destination.

This has become a nice Event in just a few years and serves the purpose for all participating Teams.

Well that is to bad as it is a missed opportunity. They could do basically what they originally intended just tweak it to

produce a title match that could draw some national attention and good publicity for the sport. No one would have to

wrestle more than the 4 duals in doing so.

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On 12/27/2018 at 9:41 AM, mlbruem said:

What do you think? Looking at the South Beach Duals and the 16 teams that are there this could really be a premier event if

they made it a dual tournament with an overall champion. Would be a good chance they could sell the semi's and finals

to a network as a national TV broadcast.

MU couldn't fill Jesse Audiorium for the Cornell dual a few years ago. It is hard to argue an event has national appeal when you can't even sell it in your own back yard. 

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22 hours ago, mlbruem said:

Well that is to bad as it is a missed opportunity. They could do basically what they originally intended just tweak it to

produce a title match that could draw some national attention and good publicity for the sport. No one would have to

wrestle more than the 4 duals in doing so.

Virginia Duals has been around for 39 years and while this year's field is slim on the D1 side, the opportunity has been there. For the 40th, we're looking to make it a competitive bracketed event. 

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3 hours ago, Missourimatman said:

MU couldn't fill Jesse Audiorium for the Cornell dual a few years ago. It is hard to argue an event has national appeal when you can't even sell it in your own back yard. 

With friends like you we don't need enemies! This is an invalid comparison of events with loads of differences and appeal.  

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On 12/27/2018 at 10:41 AM, mlbruem said:

What do you think? Looking at the South Beach Duals and the 16 teams that are there this could really be a premier event if

they made it a dual tournament with an overall champion. Would be a good chance they could sell the semi's and finals

to a network as a national TV broadcast.

Even the mention of this will inspire Sanderson and brands to begin activating against it. This kind of talk threatens their easy power structures. 

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57 minutes ago, mlbruem said:

It would be great if we could have the national duals...Penn State...Iowa....make it a true championship.... BAHAHAHA

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