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12 minutes ago, HurricaneWrestling2 said:

RULE XIV.

Pin Falls

1. Pin falls only shall count. (Flying or rolling falls shall not be considered.)  Any part of both shoulders held in contact with the mat for an appreciable length of time constitutes a fall. (By an "appreciable length of time" is meant for the Referee's silent count of three seconds.)

- From the first NCAA Official Intercollegiate Wrestling Rulebook (1928)

Reminds me of when Jennifer Garner corrected Conan O'Brien.

 

Edited by BigTenFanboy

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7 minutes ago, pennsyrules said:

How about PSU Pipher beating the #14 ranked kid from Columbia by tech!  Tell me those kids aren't getting better in that room.

Pipher was a 3x state champ in high school. PSU kids are already studs, so it has nothing to do with coaching or development. It's all recruiting. A janitor could have coach Pipher to that win.

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7 minutes ago, pennsyrules said:

How about PSU Pipher beating the #14 ranked kid from Columbia by tech!  Tell me those kids aren't getting better in that room.

Missed that. Wow. Pipher is tough bit wasn’t very good at least last year. I’ll go watch it

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IIRC, it was originally called a fall because the object was to have your opponent contact the ground with his back, hip or shoulder.  In short, you made the other guy "fall" to the ground.  Next came the pin-fall as the rules were changed to require pinning the shoulders to the ground/mat.  And finally, either pin or fall (but not pin-fall) became common in amateur wrestling.  Pro wrestling retained pin-fall but the term was used by both sports back when pro wrestling was actually considered a legitimate sport.  All the theatrics, etc., didn't start to become popular until the 30's.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, HurricaneWrestling2 said:

IIRC, it was originally called a fall because the object was to have your opponent contact the ground with his back, hip or shoulder.  In short, you made the other guy "fall" to the ground.  Next came the pin-fall as the rules were changed to require pinning the shoulders to the ground/mat.  And finally, either pin or fall (but not pin-fall) became common in amateur wrestling.  Pro wrestling retained pin-fall but the term was used by both sports back when pro wrestling was actually considered a legitimate sport.  All the theatrics, etc., didn't start to become popular until the 30's.

 

 

 

Nice!   

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I didn't realize there was a controversy, but it could be thought of as differentiating the type of fall we are talking about.  Pin fall vs technical fall.  It's not redundant if there are 2 types of falls.  

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I didn't realize there was a controversy, but it could be thought of as differentiating the type of fall we are talking about.  Pin fall vs technical fall.  It's not redundant if there are 2 types of falls.  


The tech already is called a “technical fall”
just like we have a decision and a major decision. it’s not a “regular” or “minor” decision, it’s just a decision.

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49 minutes ago, HokieFan said:

I didn't realize there was a controversy, but it could be thought of as differentiating the type of fall we are talking about.  Pin fall vs technical fall.  It's not redundant if there are 2 types of falls.  

There was no technical fall in 1928 so no.

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26 minutes ago, JasonBryant said:

 


The tech already is called a “technical fall”
just like we have a decision and a major decision. it’s not a “regular” or “minor” decision, it’s just a decision.

 

Actually, i have heard a decision referred to as a regular decision.  As in, "Mark Hall held it to a regular decision against McFadden to save a team point for PSU." See what I did there?

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Actually, i have heard a decision referred to as a regular decision.  As in, "Mark Hall held it to a regular decision against McFadden to save a team point for PSU." See what I did there?

I’ve heard it and seen it written that way too, but that doesn’t mean it’s correct.

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