KTG119 764 Report post Posted January 12 shirt was pulled and Heinselman gets a W in debut Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYWRESTLER94 218 Report post Posted January 12 Still think it would’ve served him better to redshirt this year considering his mixed results going into tonight. 2 dtry222 and LemonPie reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silvermedal 86 Report post Posted January 12 Tom Ryan likes to have his best possible lineup on the mat. He has consistently wrestled true frosh when they are the best option. Good luck to Heinselman. He got off to a nice start tonight. 1 TheOhioState reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squeek 66 Report post Posted January 12 It's the right move Sent from my LG-V530 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 2,994 Report post Posted January 12 Smart move. They can now try to get some points in their upcoming duals and in post season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 1,002 Report post Posted January 12 This makes them 5-5 with Penn State. So, they'll probably get half of Penn States points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 1,662 Report post Posted January 12 Happy for him. He has the ability to AA, but it is pretty unlikely this year. I think there are a few guys hovering around top 20 he can beat, but unless the bracket falls apart or he is able to jump levels, he isn’t AAig this year. Crazier things have happened with true freshman though and he has the coaches and training partners to do this. Pletcher, NATO, McKenna, Jaggers, and Stieber are all helping him improve every day, plus the half dozen other 125ers on the roster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southend 89 Report post Posted January 12 17 hours ago, NYWRESTLER94 said: Still think it would’ve served him better to redshirt this year considering his mixed results going into tonight. Tom is the coach, knows his guys better than anyone on this MB. That said, not very impressive debut. Beat a guy who has not wrestled in a month or so, on a steady basis. One take down against a so-so veteran. 1 NYWRESTLER94 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,276 Report post Posted January 12 17 hours ago, silvermedal said: Tom Ryan likes to have his best possible lineup on the mat. He has consistently wrestled true frosh when they are the best option. Good luck to Heinselman. He got off to a nice start tonight. He does have a history - he didn't redshirt Stieber until the injury forced him to. And Synder went right away. Was there someone better than BoJo and Nato when they redshirted? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 941 Report post Posted January 12 NATO probably wasnt ready, he even had several losses his rs frosh year before ultimately winning it. Cant say I remember who the 125 and 174 starters were back then anymore though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,276 Report post Posted January 12 Just now, Perry said: NATO probably wasnt ready, he even had several losses his rs frosh year before ultimately winning it. Cant say I remember who the 125 and 174 starters were back then anymore though I mean Heinselman isn't ready either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
balanceseeker 19 Report post Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Perry said: NATO probably wasnt ready, he even had several losses his rs frosh year before ultimately winning it. Cant say I remember who the 125 and 174 starters were back then anymore though Nick Roberts was the 125 that year. He had a solid year and was a NQ I believe. Nato beat him pretty soundly in the wrestleoff that year but stayed in redhshirt. 1 Gantry reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,276 Report post Posted January 12 Thanks for the info, so it's probably more of a case that Ryan doesn't want to have holes in his lineup more than he wants the best guy out there at all times. And heck, it's a solid way to do it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
balanceseeker 19 Report post Posted January 12 Bo's RS year the starter at 165 (the weight he would wrestle the following year) was Mark Martin and 174 was Nick Heflin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OBXWrestler 64 Report post Posted January 13 Use them while they are healthy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 1,268 Report post Posted January 13 (edited) 4 hours ago, Perry said: NATO probably wasnt ready, he even had several losses his rs frosh year before ultimately winning it. Cant say I remember who the 125 and 174 starters were back then anymore though NATO was 19-0 as a redshirt.....he only had 4 losses the year he won it and all were solid AA's(Dance, Peters, Waters and Gilman). Edited January 13 by MSU158 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhodge00 6 Report post Posted January 13 Heinselman beat Elijah Oliver3-2, but wasn't he national qualifier? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 1,002 Report post Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, rhodge00 said: Heinselman beat Elijah Oliver3-2, but wasn't he national qualifier? Oliver is 3XQualifier Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 1,662 Report post Posted January 13 21 hours ago, Gantry said: Thanks for the info, so it's probably more of a case that Ryan doesn't want to have holes in his lineup more than he wants the best guy out there at all times. And heck, it's a solid way to do it... Maybe, but there are other factors with redshirts. Some guys make agreements with the coach that they will take hard classes during redshirt so they can be more flexible afterwards. Some need time to get grades up Some aren’t on weight consistently some are homesick and aren’t mentally ready to lose a lot etc. It could be Ryan always puts the best guy out there, assuming the other factors don’t interfere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 1,662 Report post Posted January 13 Ben Askren is really high on Heinselman. Said he thinks he may challenge for a title down the road. Also said he doesn’t think he will AA this season, but he has a shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
balanceseeker 19 Report post Posted January 13 19 minutes ago, Housebuye said: Ben Askren is really high on Heinselman. Said he thinks he may challenge for a title down the road. Also said he doesn’t think he will AA this season, but he has a shot. Interesting as this seems like an argument for keeping him in redshirt. I think often times really good young guys benefit from a redshirt when they A. Need time to grow and physically adjust to the college level. B. Are on the level from neutral but need to improve on the mat to stay with the top guys. Both of these criteria appear to apply to Heinselman so I was definitely in favor of keeping the shirt on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,276 Report post Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Housebuye said: etc. It could be Ryan always puts the best guy out there, assuming the other factors don’t interfere. The examples of Nato and BoJo show that he doesn't always put the best guy out there, that's what I was fleshing out. But I do stick to Ryan never wanting a straight up hole in his lineup. Who was the last sub .500 tOSU starter with a better guy redshirting? Probably few and far between... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silvermedal 86 Report post Posted January 13 True that Ryan has sometimes kept his true frosh in redshirt. But he hates to have holes in the lineup. Too bad there isn't a national duals this year. PSU would be a clear favorite but the battles between Ohio State, Oklahoma State and Iowa would be fantastic. Maybe Mizzou belongs in that conversation. Cornell possibly as well. Heinselman will do well against opponents who can't physically overwhelm him. He's a terrific wrestler but a bit undersized. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 1,900 Report post Posted January 14 I'm wondering if, given Heinselman's only so-so results thusfar, Ryan sees another recruit (maybe Decatur?) as the answer at the weight, so Heinselman's redshirt doesn't really matter much. 1 southend reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYWRESTLER94 218 Report post Posted January 14 3 hours ago, VakAttack said: I'm wondering if, given Heinselman's only so-so results thusfar, Ryan sees another recruit (maybe Decatur?) as the answer at the weight, so Heinselman's redshirt doesn't really matter much. Are you talking about Jordan Decatur? Because I doubt he’s a 125 in college Jacob will be but he’s not even a big 113 right now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
