Howmany more matches does hands to the face have to ruin?

[hammerlockthree 1,251]

I'm just doing my little part wear out this issue, but the refs in the Suriano Fix match made the right call....

RESCIND THIS IDIOTIC EMPHASIS. 

[mlbruem 80]

Thank God for the call something had to put an end to that pathetic match.

[unbiased 349]

48 minutes ago, mlbruem said:

Thank God for the call something had to put an end to that pathetic match.

[Chrissn2001 49]

It seems odd that it's something subjective like stalling, but it isn't ruled the same way.  The refs seem to casually "warn" the wrestlers by telling them to "watch the hands" or "keep your hands off the face."  Maybe an actual warning like with stalling would be a better look.  

[Plasmodium 829]

Is this supposed to prevent concussions? Why is there a fire all of a sudden?

[Zebra 444]

9 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Is this supposed to prevent concussions? Why is there a fire all of a sudden?

Eye-pokes.

The rule's been there for a long time but not always called. If you don't want to get penalized do not but your hands on your opponents face. You can pout your hand above the eyebrows on the forehead, the top of the head and the side / back of course but not the face. 

I finally saw the match on Wrestling in 60 last night (they edited out any breaks for reviews, etc) but Suriano clearly violated the rule in a situation where it ended the match. 

 

[jstock 114]

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[ThatLogSchuteWasCarrying 153]

10 hours ago, hammerlockthree said:

I'm just doing my little part wear out this issue, but the refs in the Suriano Fix match made the right call....

RESCIND THIS IDIOTIC EMPHASIS. 

 

Or guys could just stop with face slaps. Which should happen as the season goes on and they get called for it a couple of times. 

[mg113 2]

"ThiS is d1 WreSTlING tHOugh!" 

Even in the UFC there are rules against putting your hands in someones face, numbnuts. If you don't want to lose on a hands-to-the-face call, don't put your hands in someones face. I hate matches being decided like that, but I also hate matches being stopped because someone took a finger to the eyeball.

[StallWarning 71]

I'm OK with putting an emphasis on the rule but I hate that there is a zero tolerance policy on it.  Make it an emphasis to call it but give the guy a warning and after that it's a penalty point every time he does it.  I think that's reasonable.  As terrible as the Fix/Suriano match was and as much as people wanted to be put out of their misery it was a terrible way to end a terrible match.

[Zebra 444]

4 minutes ago, StallWarning said:

I'm OK with putting an emphasis on the rule but I hate that there is a zero tolerance policy on it.  Make it an emphasis to call it but give the guy a warning and after that it's a penalty point every time he does it.  I think that's reasonable.  As terrible as the Fix/Suriano match was and as much as people wanted to be put out of their misery it was a terrible way to end a terrible match.

Or maybe it was the appropriate way to end. As Obi-Wan said "....you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

[StallWarning 71]

7 minutes ago, Zebra said:

Or maybe it was the appropriate way to end. As Obi-Wan said "....you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

Maybe you're right.  Maybe the worst possible ending was fitting for the worst possible match.

[Zebra 444]

2 minutes ago, StallWarning said:

Maybe you're right.  Maybe the worst possible ending was fitting for the worst possible match.

I don't know if that was the worst possible match but there was WWWWAAAAYYY too much hand fighting with little to no wrestling. 

 

As for the worst. I seem to remember a NCAA final heavyweight match with a Northestern guy that went on for like 15 minutes with 8,472 whistle stoppages for OOB. Plus a 125 NCAA Finals match some years ago between I believe Nickerson and Escobedo that had at least 17 hours of ear-to-ear ties ups.  

[Gantry 1,153]

Yep, the fix is very simple - first one is a warning, second one is a point.  It literally fixes everything and they will change the rule next year. 

[Housebuye 1,303]

Wasn't the call unnecessary roughness, not hands to the face?

[LJB 479]

take away the stoppages and there was nothing wrong with this match at all... they both displayed exactly what they have been taught their entire careers... use the hand fiohting to get your opponent out of position... don't take bad shots... 

the wrestling was very high level... the problem is that the rules of folk dictate that this is the way a match goes in those circumstances...

don't like it?

change the awful folk rules that reward not wrestling... 

Edited January 15 by LJB
piss- wrong thread... same sentiment...

[gimpeltf 738]

8 minutes ago, Housebuye said:

Wasn't the call unnecessary roughness, not hands to the face?

That's the category of the call. Hands to the face and blocking on face are terms used in the picture section of the book.

[Housebuye 1,303]

6 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

That's the category of the call. Hands to the face and blocking on face are terms used in the picture section of the book.

ah got it

[justafan 59]

I have noticed a few staffs have made the changes and have realized that you accomplish the samething by stiff arming the guy in the chest or front of the shoulder.Guys use it as a timing mechanism or to get a reaction and you don't have to go to the face to accomplish that

[TobusRex 1,018]

The Magic 8 Ball says : 14.

[hammerlockthree 1,251]

2 hours ago, ThatLogSchuteWasCarrying said:

 

Or guys could just stop with face slaps. Which should happen as the season goes on and they get called for it a couple of times. 

no way you wrestled

[Chrissn2001 49]

5 hours ago, ThatLogSchuteWasCarrying said:

 

Or guys could just stop with face slaps. Which should happen as the season goes on and they get called for it a couple of times. 

Easy for a log to say...

[ThatLogSchuteWasCarrying 153]

3 hours ago, hammerlockthree said:

no way you wrestled

There's nothing core to folkstyle wrestling about open palming a guy to the face. People already know they can't do it while on the mat and react accordingly. How often do you see a guy getting pinned that instinctively reaches out to push the other guy's head away but stops themselves because they know it's against the rules? They're trying to make them react the same way in neutral. Guys will adjust. 

[dmm53 276]

How about a reasonable rule solution:  first offense is a warning.  Second offense is a point for one's opponent.   Same with third offense.

Not entirely sure what the rule (interpretation) was previously, but the change would likely prevent most bouts ending on (being decided by) a hands-to-face call and give guys time to adjust.  

I suspect most (or, minimally, many) hands-to-face are in some sense unintentional or at least a consequence of habit.  

Hope refs and wrestlers figure this out by the time of NCAAs.  No one wants to see a match at NCAAs decided by this kind of call.  

Same with very quick locked hands call from a standing position.   Recall the 174 pound finals a few years back where Matt Brown won on a locked hands call.    That's going out with a whimper rather than a bang.

Edited January 15 by dmm53

[treep2000 561]

This may be one of the worst rules that have been recently put in place.  It's already become overused.  I don't have the answer for what should replace it, but... I would definitely think that reverting back to whatever existed, prior to the existing rule, would be better until some new/better/revised rule could be implemented.  What we're seeing is some tomfoolery I tell you... tomfoolery...