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Inspired by the Suriano Fix match two new rules cannot come soon enough.

1. Like International Freestyle a point should be awarded to your opponent if you lose your challenge.

2. Hands to the face should result in a caution system like false starts. Caution 1, 2, then a point.

Question: Trying to remember, but did anyone in that long boring match take an offensive shot on their opponent?

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It's hard to get your offense going when your opponent is a defensive specialist. It's even harder when you get a 10 minute break in the middle of every period. It's harder still when you get called for hands to the face before you can get going in ot.

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Inspired by the Suriano Fix match two new rules cannot come soon enough.
1. Like International Freestyle a point should be awarded to your opponent if you lose your challenge.
2. Hands to the face should result in a caution system like false starts. Caution 1, 2, then a point.
Question: Trying to remember, but did anyone in that long boring match take an offensive shot on their opponent?

Totally agree with both points. The lost point for failed challenge would drastically eliminate all the bs challenges used as tactics for trying to steal a cheap point (flash locked hands), match stoppage for restart to bottom, lung timeout for their guy, etc. We also definitely need a caution before a point for hands to face.

And to answer the question... I really don’t recall an offensive attempt by either wrestler.


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8 hours ago, skikayaker said:

I'm willing to add a time limit for referees. However, I'm certain that coaches have used the challenge to give a discombobulation lung timeout.

The problem is often times (and I think someone posted it was the case in this match) that there are often technical issues where the ref can't see the footage right away. 

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11 minutes ago, unbiased said:

Proven by there stellar attendance.

Worldwide there is much more interest in freestyle. There are even professional leagues in multiple countries. 

If you’re counting attendance at NCAA events versus attendance at US freestyle events... well you should be able to see why that’s an unfair comparison. 

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7 minutes ago, Katie said:

Worldwide there is much more interest in freestyle. There are even professional leagues in multiple countries. 

If you’re counting attendance at NCAA events versus attendance at US freestyle events... well you should be able to see why that’s an unfair comparison. 

Then let the world enjoy their product and we Americans can enjoy ours.

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I think the pushout is the biggest and best rule change that needs to happen.

Something I'd like to see addressed is the "top" wrestler getting ALMOST completely reversed, but the ref, waiting to see if he completes the re3versal, does not have a mechanism to stop riding time from accruing.  In the Ashnault-Gfeller match, at one point, Gfeller was on bottom, but managed to change control to the point he was standing with Ashnault's leg up in a single leg position, and Ashnault was just hopping on one leg desperately trying to defend....while still accruing riding time.

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When Turner coached at Lehigh and that situation came up in a private wrestle-off he'd tell us to stop the riding time. He knew it wasn't the rule. Could be handled similarly to locked hands or the drop down on the leg call when the situation tells the ref to hold off calling the stall.

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4 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

When Turner coached at Lehigh and that situation came up in a private wrestle-off he'd tell us to stop the riding time. He knew it wasn't the rule. Could be handled similarly to locked hands or the drop down on the leg call when the situation tells the ref to hold off calling the stall.

Problem is, the table gets riding time wrong constantly as it stands. Adding additional stops and starts to riding time will make it worse. Maybe the ref could have a clicker to start/stop riding time?

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Maybe something like award the escape immediately if top man has lost control but bottom man has not established control, and then, if the reversal is completed, award the scoring party with an additional 1 for a "continuation" reversal.  May be unwieldy, but I like it better than the current situation.

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The breather that they get during video review is a huge deal. Even if video review were limited to 30 seconds, it still would make a significant difference - unfair opportunity to recover for the guy who hasn't put as much time/effort into cardio training.

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2 minutes ago, Housebuye said:

Problem is, the table gets riding time wrong constantly as it stands. Adding additional stops and starts to riding time will make it worse. Maybe the ref could have a clicker to start/stop riding time?

Only a folkstyle wrestler and his parents could possibly care about who can ride who. But, it’s also a good skill for MMA, so the emphasis on riding is not a tragedy. 

If people absolutely demand some sort of recognition that riding a wrestler is indicative of dominance, here’s a possible solution.  Refs can stand guys up after 30 seconds, with no points awarded, but the wrestler who was ridden is put on a shot clock.

 

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4 minutes ago, LJB said:

or, just eliminate ride time and be done with it...

step out solves the vast majority of folk issues...

Yup re riding time - we're rewarding someone for just maintaining the status quo.

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