Vincenzo Joseph so far = Kyle Dake?

[Jimmy Cinnabon 130]

2.5 years into his college career how does Joseph stack up with Dake?

Both had 2 NCAA titles, both took some losses (6 for Joseph, 4 for Dake).

Both are known for great defense and clutch performances in big time matches.

Both are sometimes knocked for not being that "great" in comparison to other flashier wrestlers.

Edited January 28 by Jimmy Cinnabon

[mg113 7]

Eh, Dake didn't go 4-2 with Taylor like Cenzo did with Imar.

[Jimmy Cinnabon 130]

5 minutes ago, mg113 said:

Eh, Dake didn't go 4-2 with Taylor like Cenzo did with Imar.

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Cenzo and IMar have only wrestled 5 times.  Cenzo is 2-3 vs IMar but the 2 wins were in the NCAA finals.

[Molsen 67]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

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Cenzo and IMar have only wrestled 5 times.  Cenzo is 2-3 vs IMar but the 2 wins were in the NCAA finals.

Your actually making whatever point he is trying to make, stronger I think? But lets see Cenzo senior year before we say cenzo=dake. He will need to bump up and wrestle a returning ncaa champ. If that happens to be his teammate he might need to transfer for that to happen.

[Jimmy Cinnabon 130]

Well, I said "so far"

 

He still needs to win it all this year...and it is no sure thing given the depth at 165

[BigTimeFan 844]

I think the comparison makes sense. Cenzo is the guy I called “plodding” his freshman year and who I thought wrestled a great match vs Imar but would never be able to do it twice. 

[Jimmy Cinnabon 130]

To me, his 2nd win over IMar was more impressive than his first.  He was in total control the entire match.

[Ching 165]

51 minutes ago, Molsen said:

Your actually making whatever point he is trying to make, stronger I think? But lets see Cenzo senior year before we say cenzo=dake. He will need to bump up and wrestle a returning ncaa champ. If that happens to be his teammate he might need to transfer for that to happen. 

I'm all for it, #CenzoToPortal

[tbert 542]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

2.5 years into his college career how does Joseph stack up with Dake?

Both had 2 NCAA titles, both took some losses (6 for Joseph, 4 for Dake).

Both are known for great defense and clutch performances in big time matches.

Both are sometimes knocked for not being that "great" in comparison to other flashier wrestlers.

fake news,  Joseph is 3.5 yrs into college career in which in comparison    < Dake

[misterc 33]

Actually tougher for me to answer than I thought when you isolate up to their mid Junior years.  Cenzo has won two titles and all it took was stopping Imar from becoming the next 4Xer.  That's impressive.  Although Dake started his run as a true freshman, I don't think he really became transcendent until he finished his Junior year with a dominant NCAAs going 3 for 3 in 3.  Which had not been done at that point.  

So I'm gonna give to Cenzo for now but that may change depending on how his conference and NCAAs go.  

[cornercoach 447]

... Cenzo is an artist, Dake is a machinist ....... both are unbelievable and fun to watch.........

[StallWarning 131]

Their careers are very different but have some similarities. 

 

Cenzo took a RS.  Cenzo also had to beat a 2X returning NCAA champ two years in a row, in the finals, who only ever lost 3 matches two of which were to Cenzo.

Dake won a title as a TRFR and moved up a weight every year, doing something nobody else has ever done.  He beat Taylor twice his senior year (not counting the all-star match) and one of those times was in the finals.  David Taylor was about as good as they came in college, too.  

 

I think they are too different to compare, though.

Edited January 28 by StallWarning

[Jimmy Cinnabon 130]

Another comparison...

IMar vs Taylor

Both 2 time champs, 4x finalists.  Both have only 3 career losses...and both have 2 of those losses to great wrestlers (Dake and Joseph).

However Taylor has 2 Hodges and IMar has none.

[KTG119 778]

1 hour ago, misterc said:

 Although Dake started his run as a true freshman, I don't think he really became transcendent until he finished his Junior year with a dominant NCAAs going 3 for 3 in 3.  Which had not been done at that point.  

The very first 4 timer also won his first three w/o taking a RS. He took one after his junior year. 

[NJDan 407]

6 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

2.5 years into his college career how does Joseph stack up with Dake?

Both had 2 NCAA titles, both took some losses (6 for Joseph, 4 for Dake).

Both are known for great defense and clutch performances in big time matches.

Both are sometimes knocked for not being that "great" in comparison to other flashier wrestlers.

Do you think he wins it all this year?

[Jimmy Cinnabon 130]

Yes, I think Joseph gets it done again year.  Predict that Marstellar will be the other finalist.

[jchapman 676]

8 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Yes, I think Joseph gets it done again year.  Predict that Marstellar will be the other finalist.

If Wick doesn’t pin Marstellar first.

[Threadkilla 98]

3 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Another comparison...

IMar vs Taylor

Both 2 time champs, 4x finalists.  Both have only 3 career losses...and both have 2 of those losses to great wrestlers (Dake and Joseph).

However Taylor has 2 Hodges and IMar has none.

Imar also got pinned by Nolf, So he lost to another all time great.  

[BigTenFanboy 1,513]

5 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

To me, his 2nd win over IMar was more impressive than his first.  He was in total control the entire match.

His first finals win he pretty much dictated the entire match as well. Outside of Imar's first flash takedown he finished each period in controlling the flow of the match. Before scoring the final takedown/fall he was up by 1 and had 1 min of riding time. Had imar gotten off his back  and avoided the pin the score would have been 12-5 not including riding time.

[unbiased 403]

Cenzo > Dake

Dake couldn't even win the title at the same weight twice.

[KTG119 778]

46 minutes ago, unbiased said:

Cenzo > Dake

Dake couldn't even win the title at the same weight twice.

Dake a ducker?

[unbiased 403]

Na, an eater.

[misterc 33]

16 hours ago, KTG119 said:

The very first 4 timer also won his first three w/o taking a RS. He took one after his junior year. 

Right, I meant Dake was the first/only to do it at 3 different weight classes.  

[KTG119 778]

23 minutes ago, misterc said:

Right, I meant Dake was the first/only to do it at 3 different weight classes.  

Gotcha

[TobusRex 1,287]

I see the similarities in their approaches, both physically powerful guys who defend superbly, neither one shies away from potential throw situations.  Pretty sure Cenzo gets more bonus points than Dake did, though. But Dake never redshirted.