Jimmy Cinnabon 218 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 2.5 years into his college career how does Joseph stack up with Dake? Both had 2 NCAA titles, both took some losses (6 for Joseph, 4 for Dake). Both are known for great defense and clutch performances in big time matches. Both are sometimes knocked for not being that "great" in comparison to other flashier wrestlers. Edited January 28, 2019 by Jimmy Cinnabon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mg113 13 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 Eh, Dake didn't go 4-2 with Taylor like Cenzo did with Imar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 218 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, mg113 said: Eh, Dake didn't go 4-2 with Taylor like Cenzo did with Imar. ? Cenzo and IMar have only wrestled 5 times. Cenzo is 2-3 vs IMar but the 2 wins were in the NCAA finals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molsen 123 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: ? Cenzo and IMar have only wrestled 5 times. Cenzo is 2-3 vs IMar but the 2 wins were in the NCAA finals. Your actually making whatever point he is trying to make, stronger I think? But lets see Cenzo senior year before we say cenzo=dake. He will need to bump up and wrestle a returning ncaa champ. If that happens to be his teammate he might need to transfer for that to happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 218 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 Well, I said "so far" He still needs to win it all this year...and it is no sure thing given the depth at 165 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 953 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 I think the comparison makes sense. Cenzo is the guy I called “plodding” his freshman year and who I thought wrestled a great match vs Imar but would never be able to do it twice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 218 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 To me, his 2nd win over IMar was more impressive than his first. He was in total control the entire match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ching 180 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 51 minutes ago, Molsen said: Your actually making whatever point he is trying to make, stronger I think? But lets see Cenzo senior year before we say cenzo=dake. He will need to bump up and wrestle a returning ncaa champ. If that happens to be his teammate he might need to transfer for that to happen. I'm all for it, #CenzoToPortal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 560 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: 2.5 years into his college career how does Joseph stack up with Dake? Both had 2 NCAA titles, both took some losses (6 for Joseph, 4 for Dake). Both are known for great defense and clutch performances in big time matches. Both are sometimes knocked for not being that "great" in comparison to other flashier wrestlers. fake news, Joseph is 3.5 yrs into college career in which in comparison < Dake 1 cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misterc 42 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 Actually tougher for me to answer than I thought when you isolate up to their mid Junior years. Cenzo has won two titles and all it took was stopping Imar from becoming the next 4Xer. That's impressive. Although Dake started his run as a true freshman, I don't think he really became transcendent until he finished his Junior year with a dominant NCAAs going 3 for 3 in 3. Which had not been done at that point. So I'm gonna give to Cenzo for now but that may change depending on how his conference and NCAAs go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornercoach 448 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 ... Cenzo is an artist, Dake is a machinist ....... both are unbelievable and fun to watch......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StallWarning 156 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) Their careers are very different but have some similarities. Cenzo took a RS. Cenzo also had to beat a 2X returning NCAA champ two years in a row, in the finals, who only ever lost 3 matches two of which were to Cenzo. Dake won a title as a TRFR and moved up a weight every year, doing something nobody else has ever done. He beat Taylor twice his senior year (not counting the all-star match) and one of those times was in the finals. David Taylor was about as good as they came in college, too. I think they are too different to compare, though. Edited January 28, 2019 by StallWarning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 218 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 Another comparison... IMar vs Taylor Both 2 time champs, 4x finalists. Both have only 3 career losses...and both have 2 of those losses to great wrestlers (Dake and Joseph). However Taylor has 2 Hodges and IMar has none. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 817 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, misterc said: Although Dake started his run as a true freshman, I don't think he really became transcendent until he finished his Junior year with a dominant NCAAs going 3 for 3 in 3. Which had not been done at that point. The very first 4 timer also won his first three w/o taking a RS. He took one after his junior year. 1 madcat11 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 569 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: 2.5 years into his college career how does Joseph stack up with Dake? Both had 2 NCAA titles, both took some losses (6 for Joseph, 4 for Dake). Both are known for great defense and clutch performances in big time matches. Both are sometimes knocked for not being that "great" in comparison to other flashier wrestlers. Do you think he wins it all this year? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 218 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 Yes, I think Joseph gets it done again year. Predict that Marstellar will be the other finalist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 1,070 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Yes, I think Joseph gets it done again year. Predict that Marstellar will be the other finalist. If Wick doesn’t pin Marstellar first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Threadkilla 100 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Another comparison... IMar vs Taylor Both 2 time champs, 4x finalists. Both have only 3 career losses...and both have 2 of those losses to great wrestlers (Dake and Joseph). However Taylor has 2 Hodges and IMar has none. Imar also got pinned by Nolf, So he lost to another all time great. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,710 Report post Posted January 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: To me, his 2nd win over IMar was more impressive than his first. He was in total control the entire match. His first finals win he pretty much dictated the entire match as well. Outside of Imar's first flash takedown he finished each period in controlling the flow of the match. Before scoring the final takedown/fall he was up by 1 and had 1 min of riding time. Had imar gotten off his back and avoided the pin the score would have been 12-5 not including riding time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unbiased 462 Report post Posted January 29, 2019 Cenzo > Dake Dake couldn't even win the title at the same weight twice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 817 Report post Posted January 29, 2019 46 minutes ago, unbiased said: Cenzo > Dake Dake couldn't even win the title at the same weight twice. Dake a ducker? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unbiased 462 Report post Posted January 29, 2019 Na, an eater. 1 KTG119 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misterc 42 Report post Posted January 29, 2019 16 hours ago, KTG119 said: The very first 4 timer also won his first three w/o taking a RS. He took one after his junior year. Right, I meant Dake was the first/only to do it at 3 different weight classes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 817 Report post Posted January 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, misterc said: Right, I meant Dake was the first/only to do it at 3 different weight classes. Gotcha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 1,826 Report post Posted January 29, 2019 I see the similarities in their approaches, both physically powerful guys who defend superbly, neither one shies away from potential throw situations. Pretty sure Cenzo gets more bonus points than Dake did, though. But Dake never redshirted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites