Jimmy Cinnabon 130 Report post Posted February 4 (edited) I like the antics - the taunting, the headmushes, the throat slashes, the talking during the match. One problem with college wrestling is that it utterly lacks mainstream appeal. One reason why MMA is so popular is all the "extracurricular". Jawing and shoving during press conferences, showboating and taunting during the fight. Fighting AFTER the fight. I say the more, the better. Who cares, take away team points...but let's not act like guys like DeSanto don't make wrestling more exciting to the casual fan. Edited February 4 by Jimmy Cinnabon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,044 Report post Posted February 4 My February resolution is to just not get Cinnamon bunned. 1 Underhook reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 519 Report post Posted February 4 True. It is an unpopular opinion. Amateur athletics. It isn't an amateur's job to promote events for the good of the sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 1,903 Report post Posted February 4 5 minutes ago, LordNelson said: True. It is an unpopular opinion. Amateur athletics. It isn't an amateur's job to promote events for the good of the sport. Maybe technically true, but then when the sport just dies away, congratulations on just being left with your principles. It's sports. It is entertainment. It has no inherent value for the spectator beyond that. 2 PSUMike and qc8223 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 603 Report post Posted February 4 I have a hard time keeping up with when we care about fans and when we don’t. Personally I think the fans should always matter. Or else you won’t have a sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 519 Report post Posted February 4 3 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Maybe technically true, but then when the sport just dies away, congratulations on just being left with your principles. It's sports. It is entertainment. It has no inherent value for the spectator beyond that. Fair. I am just glad you didn't go with the "Iowa Singlet double standard" line again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 1,903 Report post Posted February 4 1 minute ago, LordNelson said: Fair. I am just glad you didn't go with the "Iowa Singlet double standard" line again. No need. Technically, this is a complimentary thread for Desanto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,562 Report post Posted February 4 Someone like Berger knows where the line is with this kind of stuff. DeSanto doesn’t. At all. 2 HurricaneWrestling2 and pawrestler reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 1,474 Report post Posted February 4 the real question this thread begs is if we should treat Desanto with some level of sensitivity due to the fact that he is clearly...special in some way Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 519 Report post Posted February 4 1 minute ago, scribe said: Someone like Berger knows where the line is with this kind of stuff. DeSanto doesn’t. At all. Irrelevant. This thread exists to promote those that don't recognize a line. 1 Lump reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThatLogSchuteWasCarrying 173 Report post Posted February 4 18 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: I like the antics - the taunting, the headmushes, the throat slashes, the talking during the match. One problem with college wrestling is that it utterly lacks mainstream appeal. One reason why MMA is so popular is all the "extracurricular". Jawing and shoving during press conferences, showboating and taunting during the fight. Fighting AFTER the fight. I say the more, the better. Who cares, take away team points...but let's not act like guys like DeSanto don't make wrestling more exciting to the casual fan. I really don't think he does anything for the casual fan. Nor does he make anyone new tune in. He just gives Flo something to talk about and drives more posts on forums like this one for people who are already fans. Nobody in Lincoln who wasn't already going to the meet bought a ticket because Desanto was coming to town. The lack of people being dickheads isn't the reason college wrestling is a niche sport. 2 1 tightwaist, BigTenFanboy and Lump reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randyfoxwell 52 Report post Posted February 4 Hes definitely a douche but it does make the sport more entertaining Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,562 Report post Posted February 4 8 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said: the real question this thread begs is if we should treat Desanto with some level of sensitivity due to the fact that he is clearly...special in some way You are special too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 1,474 Report post Posted February 4 4 minutes ago, randyfoxwell said: Hes definitely a douche but it does make the sport more entertaining it doesn't bring in fans from the outside....doesn't sell t shirts, it just gets clicks thats it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 1,903 Report post Posted February 4 Just now, hammerlockthree said: it doesn't bring in fans from the outside....doesn't sell t shirts, it just gets clicks thats it. I feel like I've seen this said a lot, but....how do you know that it doesn't bring in fans? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 1,474 Report post Posted February 4 IDK maybe you are right. I assume that anyone attracted to that sort of behavior would just watch MMA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 519 Report post Posted February 4 Or pro wrestling 2 Lump and hammerlockthree reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 1,903 Report post Posted February 4 Just now, hammerlockthree said: IDK maybe you are right. I assume that anyone attracted to that sort of behavior would just watch MMA. I feel like young people in this country are VERY attracted to this kind of attitude and behavior. I don't know, I guess we'll see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 519 Report post Posted February 4 It has cost the Hawk's multiple team points in multiple events. Maybe they outweigh the potential attraction of fans to their heel vs. total team output. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 1,474 Report post Posted February 4 My gut reaction is that wrestling is a noble, individual, courageous endeavor and that is its selling point. Acting like a clown has nothing to do with that. That may be naive. 2 tightwaist and Lump reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 1,903 Report post Posted February 4 1 minute ago, LordNelson said: It has cost the Hawk's multiple team points in multiple events. Maybe they outweigh the potential attraction of fans to their heel vs. total team output. Well, that's another debate. I think that whole idea is bogus, but either way, it hasn't changed the result of a competition thusfar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 130 Report post Posted February 4 Honestly, what's more likely to go viral....a 2-1 win that ends with good sportsmanship and a handshake? Or a crazy match where this one dude totally showboated and talked smack and jawed with the opposing coaches? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 519 Report post Posted February 4 I'm just not a fan of disrespecting your opponents on any level. If you want to shoot your anklets out of the sky after you win a title, I get it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThatLogSchuteWasCarrying 173 Report post Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Honestly, what's more likely to go viral....a 2-1 win that ends with good sportsmanship and a handshake? Or a crazy match where this one dude totally showboated and talked smack and jawed with the opposing coaches? Who cares? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 1,704 Report post Posted February 4 19 minutes ago, scribe said: Someone like Berger knows where the line is with this kind of stuff. DeSanto doesn’t. At all. And if DeSanto steps over the line, he gets punished. They did take a team point away yesterday. If at NCAAs he acts like he did last year, they will punish him severely. They are looking out for it from him. I don’t like the threat of team points being deducted at NCAAs. Seems like an ejection would be a better punishment. Maybe 1 warming first in some cases, but it is up to the ref. Something like DeSanto did last year should be an auto DQ. What he did bs Nebraska? Eh let his coaches punish him. Let his reputation suffer. It was just verbal and was directed at a wrestler who was talking ****. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
