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recent Pat Downey "Uncut" interview on Flo. 
Compelling stuff.  Say what you want about him, love him/hate him...the dude owns up to his mistakes.

It was interesting to hear about Brands kicking him off the team for not completely buying in. I’m not the biggest fan of Iowa but props to him for sticking to his convictions to keep the right culture in the program.


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27 minutes ago, Buckxell said:


It was interesting to hear about Brands kicking him off the team for not completely buying in. I’m not the biggest fan of Iowa but props to him for sticking to his convictions to keep the right culture in the program.


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Was he ever really on the team?

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Just now, jchapman said:

Was he ever really on the team?

According to the interview he was on the roster for a day and was issued gear but then decided to go fly with the wolves, or something like that. You won't hear him admit he was kicked off or ruled ineligible for something that he was responsible for. 

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From 2010

Star athlete arrested in assault faces other charges in Baltimore

Don Markus, The Baltimore Sun
 

A two-time state wrestling champion and star quarterback who was arrested last month for assaulting another North County High School student is set to be tried in December in Baltimore on two previous incidents that also resulted in assault charges.

According to police, James Patrick Downey III of Linthicum Heights assaulted Connor M. Little in a parking lot near M&T Bank Stadium in November 2009 while they were attending the annual "Turkey Bowl" football game between Calvert Hall and Loyola. Downey and former North County teammate Louis Patrick Carey were also charged with assaulting two Navy football players at a Baltimore nightclub last June.

 

Court records show that Downey's attorney is trying to get the two Baltimore cases moved from Circuit Court back to juvenile court since Downey was 17 at the time of each incident. Motions for a reverse waiver are scheduled Nov. 3, two days after Downey has a preliminary hearing on 17 charges, including first-degree assault, robbery, conspiracy and theft, in Anne Arundel County District Court in a Se[t. 20 incident.

Even though he had been arrested twice and North County officials had been made aware of his arrest in Baltimore last June, Downey continued to play football at the Glen Burnie school. However, he has since been placed on "home teaching," meaning that he is not enrolled in school and is not eligible to participate in any extracurricular activities.

 

It is up to the principal to place a student in an alternative educational setting after an arrest, Anne Arundel County schools spokesman Bob Mosier said Wednesday.

If Downey is charged as an adult in the two Baltimore cases, separate trials would begin in early December. Carey is also scheduled to go on trial Dec. 6 and has been charged as an adult with first-degree assault.

As a result of his arrest, and the fact that he did not tell school officials of the charges pending against him, Carey, a freshman wrestler at North Carolina State University, was suspended indefinitely Wednesday by athletic department officials in accordance with university policy, according to Chris Kingston, senior associate athletic director.

Conviction on first-degree assault carries up to a 25-year prison sentence.

The spate of charges against Downey has put a halt to his promising athletic career. As a junior, Downey was also an academic all-state wrestler, with the highest grade-point average among those who qualified in his weight class for the state championships. He was being recruited by several colleges for both wrestling and football.

Though many wrestling programs stopped recruiting Downey because of his legal troubles, a college wrestling coach with knowledge of Downey's recruiting process said Wednesday that N.C. State, Arizona State and Edinboro (Pa.) are still recruiting him. But school officials at N.C. State said Thursday that they had never recruited Downey.

According to charging documents, Little said that he stopped by Lot O after leaving M&T Bank Stadium on Nov. 26, 2009, to see a friend. When Little arrived, his friend was fighting with Downey. Little said that he tried to intervene, but Downey attacked him, knocking out four teeth and breaking a bone in his jaw. Little, a college student, told police that he did not know Downey, who was later identified by witnesses.

That arrest came during Downey's junior year at North County. Downey has said that he transferred to North County from Loch Raven to train with Carey, a three-time state wrestling finalist. Downey also attended Mount St. Joseph as a freshman. He went undefeated in wrestling during his two seasons at North County.

 

Downey's second Baltimore arrest was June 4, at the Bourbon Street Ballroom nightclub on Guilford Avenue. In that incident, Carey is accused of punching Keegan Wetzel inside the club and Downey is accused of kicking him after he fell to the ground. Bouncers escorted them out of the club, where police say Downey and Carey attacked Wetzel and Devon Richardson for 15 minutes with "punches, kicks and submission holds." Wetzel lost a tooth, "possibly" sustained a broken jaw and had both eyes blackened.

Downey was held in jail overnight on $100,000 bond after his 2009 arrest after a judge doubled the bail set the previous day by the court commissioner. His grandparents, James Downey Sr. and Mary Downey, put up their Pasadena home to post bail. A $25,000 bond was posted immediately after his second Baltimore arrest.

In the most recent incident, Downey and two other teenagers, Danny McGee of Linthicum and Jonathan Hart of Glen Burnie, were charged with assaulting and robbing a 16-year-old after he had tried to sell Downey "a dime bag of marijuana," according to charging documents.

The victim said that Downey refused to pay for the marijuana. The 16-year-old was robbed and beaten, according to police, but tried to get his money back.

The 16-year-old told police his right hand became stuck in the door handle of the car in which Downey and the two teenagers were riding and he was dragged more than 1,000 feet. According to charging documents, the boy sustained injuries to his left hand "consistent with pushing off the pavement." The victim told police that his wallet contained $13.

After his arrest Sept. 29, Downey was released on $50,000 bond Oct. 1.

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1 hour ago, NJDan said:

Star athlete arrested in assault faces other charges in Baltimore

Don Markus, The Baltimore Sun
 

A two-time state wrestling champion and star quarterback who was arrested last month (2009)  assaulting

 

FFS - this was a full decade ago.  The dude was in High School.  You felt compelled to post something everyone is aware of in 36 font?  

Why does every JO have to include NJ or RU or Scarlet Knight in their avatar?  You're killing my property value. 

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17 minutes ago, TFBJR said:

FFS - this was a full decade ago.  The dude was in High School.  You felt compelled to post something everyone is aware of in 36 font?  

Why does every JO have to include NJ or RU or Scarlet Knight in their avatar?  You're killing my property value. 

The article gives context to the Flo interview. Yes, it was 2010. I reduced the font size, if that helps.

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20 hours ago, hammerlockthree said:

I am bewildered anyone was impressed by this interview. It's him talking about how he pissed away like 6 opportunities. 

 

20 hours ago, CoachWrestling said:

Have you ever said anything positive in your entire life? 

Hammerlockthree is the top curmudgeon on this board.  He deserves some type of an award.

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2 hours ago, TFBJR said:

FFS - this was a full decade ago.  The dude was in High School.  You felt compelled to post something everyone is aware of in 36 font?  

Why does every JO have to include NJ or RU or Scarlet Knight in their avatar?  You're killing my property value. 

If a Governor of a State is being villified for a photo from 35 years ago there is no reason to complain about information on Criminal Conduct no matter how old. The kid commits crimes, plain and simple.

And here I thought he did not wrestle at Iowa because it might interfere with him getting four simultaneous PhD's at the time.

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7 hours ago, NJDan said:

At first I thought that this was a great interview. But I was wrong. It's really a piece of crap and shows why Flo is not credible as a source of journalism. There may be cases where there is value to publishing an interview (whether a transcript or a video/audiotape) without more. For example, when the president gives an interview, that can be published without comment (all while knowing that many others will add context or call him on any false statements). But while many of us know that Downey has had multiple run-ins with both the law and team coaches, few of us know (certainly I do not know) the details of what he did, what he was accused of doing, how he was charged  and how he was disciplined by his coaches. For Flo to publish his interview where he apologizes but, at the same time, appears baffled by the fact that he was dismissed by Iowa State and then by Iowa without saying anything about what (the police, his coaches, school administrators) claimed he did is irresponsible at best. 

I really don't know if Downey was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, if he was lucky to get off with just one conviction, if ISU had good reason to cut him, if Brands was right to send him packing. But for Flo to just give his side without even challenging him by asking questions is garbage journalism. 

Flo provides a service by posting match videos and technique videos. Maybe it should just stick to that.

 

 

I have to disagree with you here. Could Flo have pushed a little more on certain incidents that happened in Downey's past and how he's been in the wrong place, wrong time so many times? For sure, but I think it's pretty cool that they let him give his side of things. How often does someone get criticized (whether a wrestling related person or not) and we don't get to hear that person's version of events? I liked hearing things from Downey's perspective, talking about what he did and didn't like about certain colleges, what happened at Iowa, his version of events. I still have my own opinions of Downey, and certainly don't think he's without blame, but it's still interesting to hear his story compared to what everyone already knows about him.

But let's suppose I'm in the minority here, and most people didn't like this interview (could very well be, I don't know). Flo has still made outstanding films about Terry, Cary Kolat, Kyle Dake and David Taylor, Mark Perry, Mocco, Helen Maroulis, Kyle Conel, J'Den Cox, the list goes on and on, and I hope they continue to make films in the future about people like Richard Perry, Spencer Lee, Bo Nickal, virtually any wrestler/coach who has a story to tell.

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9 minutes ago, Griff the BullRam said:

I have to disagree with you here. Could Flo have pushed a little more on certain incidents that happened in Downey's past and how he's been in the wrong place, wrong time so many times? For sure, but I think it's pretty cool that they let him give his side of things. How often does someone get criticized (whether a wrestling related person or not) and we don't get to hear that person's version of events? I liked hearing things from Downey's perspective, talking about what he did and didn't like about certain colleges, what happened at Iowa, his version of events. I still have my own opinions of Downey, and certainly don't think he's without blame, but it's still interesting to hear his story compared to what everyone already knows about him.

But let's suppose I'm in the minority here, and most people didn't like this interview (could very well be, I don't know). Flo has still made outstanding films about Terry, Cary Kolat, Kyle Dake and David Taylor, Mark Perry, Mocco, Helen Maroulis, Kyle Conel, J'Den Cox, the list goes on and on, and I hope they continue to make films in the future about people like Richard Perry, Spencer Lee, Bo Nickal, virtually any wrestler/coach who has a story to tell.

And hey don’t forget Fearless Warrior Suriano!!

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22 minutes ago, Griff the BullRam said:

I have to disagree with you here. Could Flo have pushed a little more on certain incidents that happened in Downey's past and how he's been in the wrong place, wrong time so many times? For sure, but I think it's pretty cool that they let him give his side of things. How often does someone get criticized (whether a wrestling related person or not) and we don't get to hear that person's version of events? I liked hearing things from Downey's perspective, talking about what he did and didn't like about certain colleges, what happened at Iowa, his version of events. I still have my own opinions of Downey, and certainly don't think he's without blame, but it's still interesting to hear his story compared to what everyone already knows about him.

But let's suppose I'm in the minority here, and most people didn't like this interview (could very well be, I don't know). Flo has still made outstanding films about Terry, Cary Kolat, Kyle Dake and David Taylor, Mark Perry, Mocco, Helen Maroulis, Kyle Conel, J'Den Cox, the list goes on and on, and I hope they continue to make films in the future about people like Richard Perry, Spencer Lee, Bo Nickal, virtually any wrestler/coach who has a story to tell.

I agree it was good to hear his side. But to understand, one has to know a bit about the accusations he was denying. If you already know the details of his career, you have no problem. But I, for one, am only vaguely aware. 

FWIW, I think Flo's movies are mostly crap journalism too (or not journalism at all).

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On 2/5/2019 at 8:47 PM, hammerlockthree said:

The key point is that I don't think people should compliment me for the things i've screwed up....particularly if it was a serial behavior....and I was still lying about it.

you are a douche.

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Flo is lame for giving this so much guy attention. It’s easy to own up to your mistakes in an interview where you want to come across as a good guy & changed man. Similar, but on a different scale, to DeSanto apologizing after every match yet continuing to do the same thing.

He’s the same as he’s always has been.

There are plenty of wrestlers who grew up with worse/crazier lives and are great human beings.

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It looks like the kid was definitely a litle crazy in HS.  However, since college, he hasn't been in any trouble(so it seems) except that he likes to party a bit.  I know this is "taboo" in today's DI programs and is a bad example for other teammates.  With that said, the kid competes hard, doesn't seem to have any "Desanto" in him, and is very talented and obviously loves the sport.

Sorry, I wrestled in the 80's and there was more of these types of kids(Penrith is a notable one...because they were able to get away with it) but in todays game, not much tolerance for t his.

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5 hours ago, hammerlockthree said:

Sorry buddy someone has to stick up for responsibility around here

He was 17 years old when he got in trouble.  This is an American redemption story.  If you are a 1 strike and you are out kind of guy, I don't have much to say to you.  Do you believe in second chances?  Do you think it can be good for other people to hear his story?  Do you think it is easy for him to get on camera and talk about his past transgressions, some 8-9 years after the fact?  Open your heart up to forgiveness.  Geniuses learn from fools every day. If you are as smart as you think you are, you will see what you can learn from this man.  Kudos to him for facing life head on.

 

My only beef with Downey is his tiny chicken legs.  Stop skipping legs day.

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