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2 minutes ago, russelscout said:

Did you think the OkieSt/Iowa interuptions were that bad that it deserves this much attention? It was barely noticeable, not really their fault (I get it, they are responsible if they put their name on it), and just not a big deal. No people were up in arms this time because it was behind a paywall and that's pretty much it.

Clearly whoever started this thread wasn't happy with the technical issues.  Any time they have technical issues, people are going to complain because they are paying to see the content.  I think Askren tweeted something out about a Missouri dual as well.  

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3 minutes ago, LordNelson said:

I find it ridiculous when people say things like "they don't grow the sport" and then go full blue and white on PSU when they literally wrestled no duals of importance the whole year, or that Tommy refused to wrestle them.  How about the fact that the 2 biggest programs in College Wrestling have single handedly killed the National Duals?  Killed the All Star Meet?  Nothing there but FLO is really doing damage on the growth of wrestling.   All of these "grow the sport" experts have only criticisms and verbal diarrhea on those actually doing something.  

Well said.

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1 minute ago, Billyhoyle said:

Clearly whoever started this thread wasn't happy with the technical issues.  Any time they have technical issues, people are going to complain because they are paying to see the content.  I think Askren tweeted something out about a Missouri dual as well.  

What Missouri dual was on Flo? Also, you didn't answer my question. Did you really think the interruptions were that bad?

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12 minutes ago, russelscout said:

What Missouri dual was on Flo? Also, you didn't answer my question. Did you really think the interruptions were that bad?

Me? No, I don't care. I subscribed for a couple years but didn't renew last year/didn't watch the Iowa/Oklahoma state Dual.  

 I just think paying customers unhappy with stream  quality are right to voice their complains.  Also, i'm not sure what Askren was complaining about. Maybe it was the Iowa dual too.  

There's nothing special about flowrestling that makes them immune to criticism.  If they were to be replaced by somebody able to provide more reliable service, it wouldn't necessarily be bad for the sport of wrestling.  The first company to market isn't always the best one.  Maybe Flowrestling is friendster/myspace and some other streaming video service will come along and surpass them.  For example, ESPN+ might start getting the rights to more wrestling events.  At a certain point, their service may be a better value than flowrestling.   

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This is stupid.  I have been hard on FLO in the past but they are working through it.  There were only slight blips for less then 10 seconds.  I think most of you complainers are Hawkeye nuthuggers and need to question the Brand boys about their performance not Flo's production.

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1 minute ago, Billyhoyle said:

 I just think paying customers unhappy with stream  quality are right to voice their complains.  Also, i'm not sure what Askren was complaining about. Maybe it was the Iowa dual too.   

There's nothing special about flowrestling that makes them immune to criticism.

Absolutely nobody is arguing that Flo shouldn't be criticized and they are immune to it, nobody.   But the sheer amount of threads started, complaints about things that have nothing to do with flo, backseat CEOs telling Flo what their business model should be, constant acidic attacks about how they are ruining the sport, etc is so out of hand at this point.  They are the Thanks Obama of the wrestling world and it's just plain silly.  There's a one second hiccup in Garner Webb vs Maryland dual and someone starts a thread.  There are posters who dedicate an absurd % of their post history bringing up the same 4 complaints in every Flo thread ad nauseam.

If people SIMPLY kept it constructive and focused on the quality of their streams and their product, fine.  One "Flo complaints thread" - fine.  They definitely deserve criticism at times, but the anti-Flo rhetoric doesn't jive with the level of service they provide for the wrestling fan. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Billyhoyle said:

Me? No, I don't care. I subscribed for a couple years but didn't renew last year/didn't watch the Iowa/Oklahoma state Dual.  

 I just think paying customers unhappy with stream  quality are right to voice their complains.  Also, i'm not sure what Askren was complaining about. Maybe it was the Iowa dual too.  

There's nothing special about flowrestling that makes them immune to criticism.  If they were to be replaced by somebody able to provide more reliable service, it wouldn't necessarily be bad for the sport of wrestling.  The first company to market isn't always the best one.  Maybe Flowrestling is friendster/myspace and some other streaming video service will come along and surpass them.  For example, ESPN+ might start getting the rights to more wrestling events.  At a certain point, their service may be a better value than flowrestling.   

Oh so you are just saying the complaints are valid without actually seeing it yourself. I hope you are all over the internet defending people's right to protest spotty streams, but I have a feeling that's not the case. 

 

I have no problem with complaints, but too many people on this forum just get off on ripping on flo for every little thing.

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5 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

This is stupid.  I have been hard on FLO in the past but they are working through it.  There were only slight blips for less then 10 seconds.  I think most of you complainers are Hawkeye nuthuggers and need to question the Brand boys about their performance not Flo's production.

Um no, that's definitely not the case. 

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21 hours ago, ionel said:

Just curious, how did you watch wrestling say back in the 90s?

I know you aren't asking me, but I want to answer this question.  I like to think I have one of the better video libraries in the country....I started in 1970 "filming" top level competition....1970 Midlands, 1971 USA vs. USSR dual at McGaw (now Welsh-Ryan) Arena, 17 World Cups in Toledo, OH. and on and on.  That was all super 8 movie w/no sound that I've transferred to video.  That's all there was back then, but it helped me sooooo much as a wrestler, and more importantly as a coach, but in many ways, it was nothing compared to what we have now with youtube, TrackWrestling (I'm listening to an interview/w Kellen Russell as I type this, on TrackWrestling), but FLO!!!   FLO is huge ....are their issues yes, some of them are theirs, that they need to work on, but some of these issues may be our own too....computer, wifi, whatever....I'm still tweeking techno skills to get better at this, and I may be better than most already.  Just my point of view.  I'm on Flo A LOT!!!!!!!

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I wonder how Flo feels about OK State putting the dual on YouTube like an hour after it ended.   Not sure if this year is any more than last year but it sure seems there is a lot of stuff on YouTube this season.

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That this continues is surreal.    Rainy Saturday in New Jersey.  Got to watch a perfectly good stream of PSU Senior Day; including Todrankery immediately followed by 5 pins in in 6 minutes.    Second stream going of the best dual of the year.  Minor blips; nothing unfamiliar in the internet age.  Watched the California States all weekend with fabulous coverage including replays and up to date brackets. Best day ever.  

A solid week of belly-aching ensues.  Socialism disguised as altruism breaks out - Should be free on ESPN!!! (ESPN = Not free, but ignore that fact).  Good for the sport!!  Grow wrestling!!   

National debate:  How is Craig Sesker supposed to do his job, deliver paid content for a RIVAL firm, and watch his beloved Squawkeyes get humbled if it costs 40 cents per day?  We need to get Ocrazyo on the case post haste. 

B1G screwed the pooch with this year's schedule and we still had a great final Sunday of wrestling. 

Flo had better not televise the EIWA, EWL, Big 12, and B1G Championships next week in their continued effort to minimize the sport and screw us all over. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Fwiw, ESPN begged the wrestling establishment for a true National Dual Championship that they could cover.  Certain influential coaches steadfastly refused to participate so it hasn't happened yet.  I don't think it can be argued that the National Duals was, bar none, the best product for casual fans of the sport or non-fans who are diehard supporters of their team.  The drama, the dual format, the time allocation, the team association,  the rivalries, all that makes for a great show.  ESPN knows this.  Don't you think there are hundreds of thousands of fans of Nebraska, Missouri, Minnesota, ASU, UNC, NCSt, Duke, VT, etc. that would watch their school compete for the National Championship if it was on ESPN?

The inevitable success of the Dual Championship would also inevitably lead to ESPN wanting to cover additional duals, to provide background, context, build excitement, etc. for their Championship showcase.  People keep saying ESPN isn't interested in giving us more wrestling and it simply isn't true.  I won't complain about FLO, it is what it is.  But ESPN could and would do it better if college coaches could manage to remove their brain housing units from their waste chutes and do what would obviously be best for growing the sport.

 

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Can anyone actually link where Flo has stated their purpose is to "Grow the Sport"? I'm not a fan of Flo, but they are a business and businesses make $. Last I checked, they are not a non profit but actually have receive millions of dollars of venture capital. They have everyone by the balls with their rights; grow or not - you have to watch at Flo.

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30 minutes ago, thefatman said:

Can anyone actually link where Flo has stated their purpose is to "Grow the Sport"? I'm not a fan of Flo, but they are a business and businesses make $. Last I checked, they are not a non profit but actually have receive millions of dollars of venture capital. They have everyone by the balls with their rights; grow or not - you have to watch at Flo.

https://www.flowrestling.org/video/5283642-martin-floreani-on-5-years-of-flowrestling 

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I subscribe to Flo.  I watch a lot of duals on Flo.  I am just glad I have the option.  I can pretty much watch any Iowa State dual, home or  away.  Watched the Ok State _ Iowa dual.

Watch a lot of freestyle duals, high school (Ironman, etc).  Never had these options before.   It may not always be pretty, but I think Flo is a great asset and gladly pay for the content.

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I think part off the criticism of Flo is related to the general unreliability of streaming a live event.  There are so many factors that go in to streaming a live event, internet feed coming out of the venue, server internet feed, end users internet feed, ect.  Can anybody name a LIVE streaming service that is perfect?  I tried to watch the Rose Bowl and CFB Playoff championship game last year on WatchESPN and it constantly buffered and cut out, I was streaming an NHL game last night on Fox Sports and it cut out and buffered a couple of times.  Streaming services aren't as reliable as cable.  They are getting a lot better but aren't quite there yet.

 

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5 hours ago, tigerfan said:

Fwiw, ESPN begged the wrestling establishment for a true National Dual Championship that they could cover.  Certain influential coaches steadfastly refused to participate so it hasn't happened yet.  I don't think it can be argued that the National Duals was, bar none, the best product for casual fans of the sport or non-fans who are diehard supporters of their team.  The drama, the dual format, the time allocation, the team association,  the rivalries, all that makes for a great show.  ESPN knows this.  Don't you think there are hundreds of thousands of fans of Nebraska, Missouri, Minnesota, ASU, UNC, NCSt, Duke, VT, etc. that would watch their school compete for the National Championship if it was on ESPN?

The inevitable success of the Dual Championship would also inevitably lead to ESPN wanting to cover additional duals, to provide background, context, build excitement, etc. for their Championship showcase.  People keep saying ESPN isn't interested in giving us more wrestling and it simply isn't true.  I won't complain about FLO, it is what it is.  But ESPN could and would do it better if college coaches could manage to remove their brain housing units from their waste chutes and do what would obviously be best for growing the sport.

 

ESPN does not pay a penny to wrestling for their broadcast rights of the NCAA tournament.  They would not have paid a penny for the Duals if they were an official championship event because the already own all official NCAA championship events.  None of the money they paid for that goes to wrestling.  

So If by begged the wrestling establishment for a National Duals you mean they would have taken the rights for free and broadcast it...then yes they begged.  ESPN is very interested in free counter programming but it does little for wrestling.  FLO is not near as reliable as ESPN, but at least college wrestling teams are getting paid for broadcast rights when FLO has them. 

The bottom line is ESPN could do better for fans and better for themselves while FLO can do better for themselves and better for wrestling programs.  

 

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56 minutes ago, JohnG said:

I think part off the criticism of Flo is related to the general unreliability of streaming a live event.  There are so many factors that go in to streaming a live event, internet feed coming out of the venue, server internet feed, end users internet feed, ect.  Can anybody name a LIVE streaming service that is perfect?  I tried to watch the Rose Bowl and CFB Playoff championship game last year on WatchESPN and it constantly buffered and cut out, I was streaming an NHL game last night on Fox Sports and it cut out and buffered a couple of times.  Streaming services aren't as reliable as cable.  They are getting a lot better but aren't quite there yet.

 

 

Is there really that much value in it being live though?   I've probably seen 85% of the wrestling I was interested in within 24 hours of it happening between youtube (BTN, schools, or random posts), facebook, and twitter (and I don't even have twitter).   It's not like wrestling is that popular so it's not that hard to not find out about results if you don't want to.   But half the time knowing what happens makes me want to see the highlights more (or less in the case of Suriano/FIx).

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I would skip over a lot of stuff if it wasn't live!  The unknown is part of the excitement.  If you know ahead of time the somebody is going it get a last second takedown to tie or win, isn't nearly as exciting as watching it live and not knowing.

Watching it after, does save me a lot of time though,  because I skip over the boring matches.

Could of saved a half hour of my life not watching Fix-Suriano live!!!

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