Jimmy Cinnabon 81 Report post Posted February 25 It's pretty amazing that a 0x NCAA qualifier 197er like Cassar was able to bump up to heavyweight and displace a 2x AA HWT in Nevills from the starting lineup. Has something like this happened before? I suppose it could have happened with Snyder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,509 Report post Posted February 25 13 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: It's pretty amazing that a 0x NCAA qualifier 197er like Cassar was able to bump up to heavyweight and displace a 2x AA HWT in Nevills from the starting lineup. Has something like this happened before? I suppose it could have happened with Snyder. Snyder displaced Thomas Haines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alwayswrestling 122 Report post Posted February 25 Lou Banach moved up from 190 to take out 3rd place NCAA finisher Dean Phinney at Iowa. 2 hammerlockthree and KTG119 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 81 Report post Posted February 25 4 minutes ago, BigTenFanboy said: Snyder displaced Thomas Haines. Good call. Though Haines wasn't a AA at the time. He was a blue chip recruit though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 1,612 Report post Posted February 25 Cassar is not your typical 0X qualifier. the summer after redshirting as a true freshman he made the junior world team and was winning in the quarterfinals before getting injured. he didn't wrestle a match in college for two years after then sat out the postseason in favor of Shakur Rasheed his junior year. woulda coulda shoulda but it's not like he came from out of nowhere this year. still an interesting story and displacing a two-time all-american doesn't happen often, although it's looking like it'll happen at OK State this year as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 81 Report post Posted February 26 9 minutes ago, Jaroslav Hasek said: Cassar is not your typical 0X qualifier. the summer after redshirting as a true freshman he made the junior world team and was winning in the quarterfinals before getting injured. he didn't wrestle a match in college for two years after then sat out the postseason in favor of Shakur Rasheed his junior year. woulda coulda shoulda but it's not like he came from out of nowhere this year. still an interesting story and displacing a two-time all-american doesn't happen often, although it's looking like it'll happen at OK State this year as well. Who are at Ok St are you referring to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThorsteinV 64 Report post Posted February 26 14 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Who are at Ok St are you referring to? Supposedly Joseph Smith is not competing in the post season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 1,612 Report post Posted February 26 doesn't sound like anything is decided yet but looks like Jacobe and Joseph Smith are moving down to 165 and 174, which would leave two-time AA and one-time R12 Chandler Rogers the odd man out. Rogers could beat one of them out, but then it's two-time AA Joe Smith or two-time JuCo champ and one-time AA Jacobe Smith on the bench. It's also wild to think Fix, Gfeller and a healthy Boo Lewallen could have forced a two-time AA in Kaid Brock to the bench. but there's a lot more speculation in that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 1,612 Report post Posted February 26 Just now, ThorsteinV said: Supposedly Joseph Smith is not competing in the post season. this would be news to me. John mentioned Joseph was sick and thats why he didn't wrestle on Sunday but never said he was out for the post season, to my knowledge anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justafan 76 Report post Posted February 26 (edited) Probably the illness that happens when you try to cut from 205 in November to 165 in Feb Edited February 26 by justafan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThorsteinV 64 Report post Posted February 26 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jaroslav Hasek said: this would be news to me. John mentioned Joseph was sick and thats why he didn't wrestle on Sunday but never said he was out for the post season, to my knowledge anyway. I probably read too much into this: I guess it might just be that he's not eligible to be ranked at 165 for the Coaches ranking. Edited February 26 by ThorsteinV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justafan 76 Report post Posted February 26 Chandler will allocate a spot and Joe won't.No sense in listing Joe he won't allocate anyway.If Joe wins the spot then the Big 12 will lose a allocation at 165. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bilchuk 6 Report post Posted February 26 I thought Shomers was in the mix at 157? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justafan 76 Report post Posted February 26 Shomers can't make 157 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 86 Report post Posted February 26 41 minutes ago, Jaroslav Hasek said: this would be news to me. John mentioned Joseph was sick and thats why he didn't wrestle on Sunday but never said he was out for the post season, to my knowledge anyway. He mentioned he was sick and wouldn't know who was wrestling for about 10 days (Pac12), but later in the interview he did say Jacoby Smith weighed in light against Iowa, and would be the 174 pounder/post season ?????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 577 Report post Posted February 26 1 hour ago, justafan said: Chandler will allocate a spot and Joe won't.No sense in listing Joe he won't allocate anyway.If Joe wins the spot then the Big 12 will lose a allocation at 165. The Big 12 loses the allocation the minute that Chandler Rogers doesn't weigh-in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bilchuk 6 Report post Posted February 26 53 minutes ago, justafan said: Shomers can't make 157 Yes he can-he is working towards it now. Couldn't hold it for the whole season & team needed him at 65 so he went up but still hoping to be there for Big 12s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justafan 76 Report post Posted February 26 (edited) I understand that my point is Chandler was the only one to list that made any sense.If they listed Joe and went with Chandler they don't get the spot back for Chandler so listing him was the only smart choice Edited February 26 by justafan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 1,286 Report post Posted February 26 3 hours ago, Alwayswrestling said: Lou Banach moved up from 190 to take out 3rd place NCAA finisher Dean Phinney at Iowa. awesome bit of trivia! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 1,612 Report post Posted February 26 2 hours ago, ThorsteinV said: I probably read too much into this: I guess it might just be that he's not eligible to be ranked at 165 for the Coaches ranking. ah gotcha. yeah Smith would kind of have to list Rogers, as he'd qualify the spot and Joseph wouldn't, but then still have a wrestle off or somehow determine would the actual starter was. but you'd want to list Rogers now no matter who would win the wrestle off later. that would also be a point in favor of Rogers when considering who to send out there for Big 12s. guess we will all find out soon enough. 1 ThorsteinV reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zebra 508 Report post Posted February 26 While not at HWT and not a 2xAA but James English did something similar at PSU and in his only shot at the NCAA Championships he made the podium. It's a story that really epitomizes what this sport is about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 577 Report post Posted February 26 While not at HWT and not a 2xAA but James English did something similar at PSU and in his only shot at the NCAA Championships he made the podium. It's a story that really epitomizes what this sport is about. The thread is about guys who bumped up and knocked returning AAs out of the lineup. While English's story is nice, how does it qualify for this thread??? He did not bump up a weight (in fact, English was the starter for the season opener) and the other guys at 149 for PSU (A. Alton & Z. Beitz) were not AAs. What is that similar to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheerstress 54 Report post Posted February 26 While I can recall a bunch of 197 pounders who had much greater success after they moved up to HWT, it's hard to think of one who actually displaced an AA. Pretty rare aside from the two examples mentioned so far (Banach and Cassar). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zebra 508 Report post Posted February 26 7 hours ago, lu_alum said: The thread is about guys who bumped up and knocked returning AAs out of the lineup. While English's story is nice, how does it qualify for this thread??? He did not bump up a weight (in fact, English was the starter for the season opener) and the other guys at 149 for PSU (A. Alton & Z. Beitz) were not AAs. What is that similar to? First of all this is the internet and I as a poster get to declare something similar in any manner I choose. It is unwritten internet rule #4,197. A career non -starter who in his senior year took the starting spot and became an AA in his only attempt. That's the similarity by my declaration using rule #4,197. 1 leshismore reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
