silvermedal 86 Report post Posted February 26 I think both have the same problem. They have already accomplished all their goals and may simply be tired of the college grind. Lee has been training like a madman since he was a kid. Valencia dominated his weight last season and then made the WTT finals. Isn't it possible that both just lack motivation and have not been as impressive this season as a result? 1 steamboat_charlie v2 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 519 Report post Posted February 26 I think when you are as good as these guys really are, they really only get it up for the big one. BUT, trends indicate that what we see in the regular season tends to play out at NCAA's recently. There hasn't been a JJaggers type guy with multiple blemishes "show up" at NCAA's and whoop the field in some years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 674 Report post Posted February 26 We aren't talking about Valencia because TBar/BTFB/Cinnabon don't hate ASU as much as they hate Iowa. 10 1 1 russelscout, iGranby, GockeS and 9 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 772 Report post Posted February 26 28 minutes ago, silvermedal said: I think both have the same problem. They have already accomplished all their goals and may simply be tired of the college grind. Lee has been training like a madman since he was a kid. Valencia dominated his weight last season and then made the WTT finals. Isn't it possible that both just lack motivation and have not been as impressive this season as a result? Their respective losses this year are a bit similar as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 129 Report post Posted February 26 Valencia scares me more than anyone else at 174. Very real chance he takes out Hall again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 585 Report post Posted February 27 39 minutes ago, jchapman said: We aren't talking about Valencia because TBar/BTFB/Cinnabon don't hate ASU as much as they hate Iowa. This although I don’t know about Cinnabon in that regard....yet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mpchillin 88 Report post Posted February 27 38 minutes ago, jchapman said: We aren't talking about Valencia because TBar/BTFB/Cinnabon don't hate ASU as much as they hate Iowa. Not that Flo hates Iowa but they don’t talk about it as much either. Flo is a huge reason why Lee is the most scrutinized wrestler of all time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 129 Report post Posted February 27 ASU should be a lot better than they are. They have primo talent yet aren't seeing results. They are not in the same league as the Big 10 powers + Ok St. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pish6969 253 Report post Posted February 27 I think both have the same problem. They have already accomplished all their goals and may simply be tired of the college grind. Lee has been training like a madman since he was a kid. Valencia dominated his weight last season and then made the WTT finals. Isn't it possible that both just lack motivation and have not been as impressive this season as a result? This is a very interesting point you make. Personally I think most felt coming into the year Hall was on Valencia’s level and was kind of a pickem with an edge to Zahid. There was no one thought to be on Spencer’s level. As far as Zahid getting pinned by Lewis, you are correct that it kind of flew under the radar. That being said Lewis can snap that cradle on anyone as he’s a hammer in top. I think the main difference is 174 you have 2 national champs and some other real good guys (Lewis, Amine) and everyone knew that coming in. I remember preseason many including me thought Spencer would be Nolf like this year at what many perceived a weak weight with Suriano and Fix going up. That’s why the surprise Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 silvermedal reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,513 Report post Posted February 27 59 minutes ago, jchapman said: We aren't talking about Valencia because TBar/BTFB/Cinnabon don't hate ASU as much as they hate Iowa. Dont hate Iowa. Just cant stand Tommy B or a large subsec of Iowas fanbase. Theres a difference. Corey Clark and Sammy Brooks! Those are 2 of my guys! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,513 Report post Posted February 27 Valencia got caught and pinned in a match he was winning by a guy who gave him his closest match at NCAAs last year. Not all that shocking if you really think about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 129 Report post Posted February 27 Don't forget Amine almost knocked off VAlencia at NCAAs too...was leading for most of the match Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silvermedal 86 Report post Posted February 27 1 minute ago, BigTenFanboy said: Valencia got caught and pinned in a match he was winning by a guy who gave him his closest match at NCAAs last year. Not all that shocking if you really think about it. Valencia controlled Mark Hall in last year's NCAA finals, kicked the crap out of Alex Dieringer and gave Dake a respectable pair of matches in the WTT finals. It is shocking when you consider how good he was less than a year ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molsen 66 Report post Posted February 27 1 minute ago, silvermedal said: Valencia controlled Mark Hall in last year's NCAA finals, kicked the crap out of Alex Dieringer and gave Dake a respectable pair of matches in the WTT finals. It is shocking when you consider how good he was less than a year ago. Outside of hall, everything else was in freestyle, which highlight Zahids strenghts. Lewis is dangerous on top, thats been known for years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,513 Report post Posted February 27 12 minutes ago, silvermedal said: Valencia controlled Mark Hall in last year's NCAA finals, kicked the crap out of Alex Dieringer and gave Dake a respectable pair of matches in the WTT finals. It is shocking when you consider how good he was less than a year ago. Maybe Hall and Lewis improved as well? Seems to be a foreign concept around these boards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hotkarl712 48 Report post Posted February 27 Classic east of The Rockies bias Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molsen 66 Report post Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, BigTenFanboy said: Maybe Hall and Lewis improved as well? Seems to be a foreign concept around these boards. They probably have improved, but when he is talking about Valencia beating dieringer, and battling dake, those are world level guys. So yes, in that sense it would be shocking. But this is folkstyle, its different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
portajohn 64 Report post Posted February 27 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Valencia scares me more than anyone else at 174. Very real chance he takes out Hall again. Why does Valencia scare you? I thought you were a Cornell fan? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pennsyrules 189 Report post Posted February 27 I think it just proves how tough DI wrestling is, and how hard it is to dominate. There is a reason there have been so few that have dominated and its because of the parity of college wrestling. We often get caught up in a kids accomplishments and think that is will always carry over to the next level. Maybe guys are figuring out the Lee's and Valencia's but I wouldn't count any of them out come NCAA. 1 AKHUNTER reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,030 Report post Posted February 27 2 hours ago, silvermedal said: I think both have the same problem. They have already accomplished all their goals and may simply be tired of the college grind. Lee has been training like a madman since he was a kid. Valencia dominated his weight last season and then made the WTT finals. Isn't it possible that both just lack motivation and have not been as impressive this season as a result? You started a thread and now we are talking about Valencia. The internet works! I thought Z was going to go unbeaten this year or at worst have a 1 point loss to Hall. Hasn't worked out that way, but he can win NCAA's by just turning it on. I have him facing Hall in the final. Although from different position, Ironic that both Z and Lee got pinned on the same cradle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 755 Report post Posted February 27 Rumor has it that Valencia is on a descent plan back to 125 where he belongs... This 174 version is like Bane from Batman... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThorsteinV 72 Report post Posted February 27 Does anyone know if HEW runs in the Valencia family? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 621 Report post Posted February 27 4 hours ago, silvermedal said: I think both have the same problem. Valencia has mono? 1 steamboat_charlie v2 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,513 Report post Posted February 27 9 minutes ago, ionel said: Valencia has mono? No it's the flu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,030 Report post Posted February 27 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ionel said: Valencia has mono? 4 minutes ago, BigTenFanboy said: No it's the flu. Jetlag Mono. Either that or Monoflucleosis Edited February 27 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
