Jimmy Cinnabon 197 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 2x returning champ, undefeated this season (21-0 with 17 wins by bonus) with a 68-6 career mark. 2 for 2 in NCAA titles where he pinned and decisively beat a stud 2x champ in IMar. Yet many rate him 2nd or 3rd best in his own conference, and probably 50% or less pick him to 3-peat this year. Is he the least respected returning 2x champ ever? If he had faced Wick and beaten him would that have changed things? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 816 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 Heil 6 ExBSUfan, Perry, gromit and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingK0ng 167 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 Rosholt 4 russelscout, hammerlockthree, portajohn and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornercoach 447 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 ... the difference between 1st and 8th in DI wrestling is slim and situational .... very difficult to predict "a winner"....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 197 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, KTG119 said: Heil Fair, but Heil was the king of the 1 point win. Over his 4 years his bonus win percentages: 33%, 27%, 40%, 38% --- Joseph in his 2 years 60% and 81%. And with his "scrambling" style he always seemed an inch or two away from getting upset. Joseph has been much more dominant in his wins. Edited March 5, 2019 by Jimmy Cinnabon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,074 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 Dean Heil probably has him beat but vincenzo does get a lack of respect Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 816 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, KingK0ng said: Rosholt You raised my Heil with Rosholt. Keeping it Cowboy, Johnny Thompson got trashed pretty good for being a two timer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingK0ng 167 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) Well, to be honest, Rosholt is the least respected 3 timer...maybe Joseph can aspire to such greatness after this years tourney Edited March 5, 2019 by KingK0ng 1 KTG119 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 879 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 1,632 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 Joseph is very well respected, the problem is that he isn't even Lou Gehrig behind Babe Ruth, he is Bill Dicky behind Lou Gehrig behind Babe Ruth. Thats different than people just thinking you are horrible no matter how much you win. 4 treep2000, Yellow_Medal, powershouse and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BaldYianni 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 I've been saying this for a while. In my opinion, he's certainly earned the respect of the wrestling community with his wins over IMAR + dominance. But I definitely agree (for whatever reason) he doesn't get the respect he deserves. I'm an Iowa fan, but because he gets overlooked part of me wants to see Cenzo walk away with 4 NCAA titles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 639 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) He’s respected. Edited March 5, 2019 by Katie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unbiased 460 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 If he doesn't win it this year and Hall does, Joseph will be the worst least respected 2x champ on his team. How do you deal with that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cementmixer99 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 Hes overlooked because hes at penn state Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsn112 1 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: 2x returning champ, undefeated this season (21-0 with 17 wins by bonus) with a 68-6 career mark. 2 for 2 in NCAA titles where he pinned and decisively beat a stud 2x champ in IMar. Yet many rate him 2nd or 3rd best in his own conference, and probably 50% or less pick him to 3-peat this year. Is he the least respected returning 2x champ ever? If he had faced Wick and beaten him would that have changed things? Maybe because this might be the first time he will have a potential undefeated season. When you have a loss(es) in your record, the luster and intimidation disappear and people will think you are beatable, e.g., Lee. Edited March 5, 2019 by jsn112 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 836 Report post Posted March 5, 2019 Tony Nelson 1 krippler reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 883 Report post Posted March 6, 2019 1. There's a lot of recency bias going on here. 2. He's overshadowed by Nolf and Nickal, and is looked at being on a similar tier as Hall (I guess). Having those guys on the team aren't doing him, as an individual, any favors. 3. His weight class is relatively "stacked" in comparison to other weight classes 4. He keeps it fairly close with Top 5 guys in his stacked weight class. 5. We've been treated within MAJOR recent times to: * 2 4X Champs in Dake and Stieber * A Multitude of 2x and 3x Champs * Captain America (winning Worlds twice and the Olympics, all while in college, desensitizes EVERYONE to everyone elses achievements) So... respect? It's absolutely "there", but it's relative. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 1,632 Report post Posted March 6, 2019 History is also on his side. This yarn is being spun now but if he takes down 4 titles, and guys like Nolf and Nickel don't take world titles...they get forgotten and he doesn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scramble 151 Report post Posted March 6, 2019 I think it is partly as previously mentioned that he is at PSU where so much attention is on Nolf and Bo. Kind of like wright with Ruth and Taylor. Also for me, it comes down to the odds. I did think he would win it last year, but looking at the probability of great wrestlers who win 4 it is so rare. Yet most of them win it their senior year. I mean you have Pat Smith, Sanderson, Dake, and Logie that were 4 timers. Yet tons of "their gonna be 4xers" never materialized. With each title win the next gets more difficult. Especially with the added pressure. Just my thoughts on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 691 Report post Posted March 6, 2019 He's the Working Man's wrestler. He goes on the mat, pushes for the win, goes back off the mat and it is all in a days work. He's not flamboyant and showy. He gets to work and gets the job done. Nolf and Bo get the attention and Hall gets what is left because of his 'bad boy' personna. Joseph just wins. Even when he pins or tech falls opponents it is 'all in a days work', not something crazy like the entertainment kings that surround him. Hope he wins this year so next year he gets a lot more attention. For a guy working on his third title he is under the radar in many ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
