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White mom pulls black wrestler off her son, then black coach (maybe dad?) gets escorted out.   Now of course we don't know what happened in between the two videos or whether or not the mom was escorted out as well, but does smell at least a little fishy.

 

Edit: updating link to see if this one plays.  Still might not be working, but if you click on the f icon in the top right it takes you to the post

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36 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said:

you alias sucks and no one wants this topic.

Not sure what that means.   Of course no one wants it.  Actually looks like the mom may have snuck off on her own.   

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8 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Report this thread as soon as you read this so it will be deleted - the clown who posted it is obviously fake.

Who me?  I've been a member on here for 4 years.  Usually I'm doubtful of the "that's racist" stuff in wrestling but this was one that I thought actually might be.  Keyword being might which I also used in the OP as I admitted we don't have the full story.   I guess hammerlock may think I'm the guy who posts a lot on facebook, I'm in one of the groups where he posted this which is where I saw it but I am not him.

 

8 minutes ago, Perry said:

Didn't a white mom just attack another white kid for beating up on her previous boy just weeks ago? Not sure what's going on but it's not a white on black only issue. Bishes be crazy, man..

The mom going after the kid isn't really the racist part.  It's the part about the black guy ending up being the one with 2 cops escorting him out of the building.

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I’m very curious if the woman was escorted out by police. If she did that to my child I would absolutely look into pressing charges.

 

Obviously we don’t know exactly what happens between the two videos but the guy seemed relatively calm and the police escort seemed unnecessary when he was thrown out for swearing. Yes it was probably due to institutional racism. If the woman wasn’t treated the same then it was absolutely racist.

 

As for people calling this topic trash and saying no one wants this here or that it should be reported/deleted, you should be ashamed of yourselves. This is a real issue that should be addressed, not ignored. You’ve also outed yourselves.

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Wrestling has long had a challenge related to diversity (race and gender issues especially), though the  US wrestling community is largely in denial about it or prefers to change the subject. 

Look at one of replies above in particular.  Or look at the vitriolic anger directed toward Title IX.

The US wrestling community is extremely white, rural, Republican, religious, and conservative, and doesn't like to think or talk about systemic, institutional, or cultural issues. 

It also largely doesn't have the capacity (history, resources, curiosity) to do so.  It tends to prefer the status quo and to side with authority and authoritarians.  

It tends to flee from matters related to religion, politics, and race even though these subjects are intimately connected with athletics, global competition, the media, and many related topics.

This is absolutely incontestable.  

Other sports have tried to engage the matter: basketball, football, boxing, among many additional ones.

When the issue arose with a kid having his haircut before a match, most of the major wrestling sites (e.g., FLO) ignored it. The vast majority of the wrestling community became very defensive.

When Jordan Borroughs posted an article related to wrestling and Black History, the wrestling forums ignored it. 

These examples can be easily multiplied. 

To folks who live in urban areas or who have moved from very conservative communities to more diverse regions, most of the above points are likely pretty obvious.  

Indeed, one of the reasons why amateur wrestling is threatened as a sport is because so many of the supporters are loathe to embrace change or constructive criticism or critique. 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, dmm53 said:

Wrestling has long had a challenge related to diversity (race and gender issues especially), though the  US wrestling community is largely in denial about it or prefers to change the subject. 

Look at one of replies above in particular.  Or look at the vitriolic anger directed toward Title IX.

The US wrestling community is extremely white, rural, Republican, religious, and conservative, and doesn't like to think or talk about systemic, institutional, or cultural issues. 

It also largely doesn't have the capacity (history, resources, curiosity) to do so.  It tends to prefer the status quo and to side with authority and authoritarians.  

It tends to flee from matters related to religion, politics, and race even though these subjects are intimately connected with athletics, global competition, the media, and many related topics.

This is absolutely incontestable.  

Other sports have tried to engage the matter: basketball, football, boxing, among many additional ones.

When the issue arose with a kid having his haircut before a match, most of the major wrestling sites (e.g., FLO) ignored it. The vast majority of the wrestling community became very defensive.

When Jordan Borroughs posted an article related to wrestling and Black History, the wrestling forums ignored it. 

These examples can be easily multiplied. 

To folks who live in urban areas or who have moved from very conservative communities to more diverse regions, most of the above points are likely pretty obvious.  

Indeed, one of the reasons why amateur wrestling is threatened as a sport is because so many of the supporters are loathe to embrace change or constructive criticism or critique. 

You make these generalizations with such confidence. How do you know these things? The proportion of the wrestling community that satisfies some observable characteristic (political affiliation, e.g.) is an empirical issue.  As such, these claims about the demographics of the wrestling community can be verified or refuted with data; they’re not incontestable. 

How do you know that the US wrestling community is extremely “...Republican, religious, and conservative,” especially given that the group tends to flee from matters related to religion and politics?  I’d like to see this data.

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3 hours ago, dmm53 said:

Wrestling has long had a challenge related to diversity (race and gender issues especially), though the  US wrestling community is largely in denial about it or prefers to change the subject. 

Look at one of replies above in particular.  Or look at the vitriolic anger directed toward Title IX.

The US wrestling community is extremely white, rural, Republican, religious, and conservative, and doesn't like to think or talk about systemic, institutional, or cultural issues. 

It also largely doesn't have the capacity (history, resources, curiosity) to do so.  It tends to prefer the status quo and to side with authority and authoritarians.  

It tends to flee from matters related to religion, politics, and race even though these subjects are intimately connected with athletics, global competition, the media, and many related topics.

This is absolutely incontestable.  

Other sports have tried to engage the matter: basketball, football, boxing, among many additional ones.

When the issue arose with a kid having his haircut before a match, most of the major wrestling sites (e.g., FLO) ignored it. The vast majority of the wrestling community became very defensive.

When Jordan Borroughs posted an article related to wrestling and Black History, the wrestling forums ignored it. 

These examples can be easily multiplied. 

To folks who live in urban areas or who have moved from very conservative communities to more diverse regions, most of the above points are likely pretty obvious.  

Indeed, one of the reasons why amateur wrestling is threatened as a sport is because so many of the supporters are loathe to embrace change or constructive criticism or critique. 

 

 

 

 

 

What an absolute disgrace dmm53 (now blocked). This is EXACTLY the same crap pushed by that guilt-ridden guy who puts out a question and answer segment every Friday (I refuse to acknowledge his name - he makes me sick). Total TURN-OFF.

Now let’s get back to WRESTLING.

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1 hour ago, ThorsteinV said:

You make these generalizations with such confidence. How do you know these things? The proportion of the wrestling community that satisfies some observable characteristic (political affiliation, e.g.) is an empirical issue.  As such, these claims about the demographics of the wrestling community can be verified or refuted with data; they’re not incontestable. 

How do you know that the US wrestling community is extremely “...Republican, religious, and conservative,” especially given that the group tends to flee from matters related to religion and politics?  I’d like to see this data.

 

Go look it up.

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5 minutes ago, wrestlingphish said:

Go look it up.

Maybe I will, it’s probably in the Census, right? I’m stuck thinking that it might be easier if he just tells me, since he surely already looked it up. 

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1 hour ago, Marcus Cisero said:

What an absolute disgrace dmm53 (now blocked). This is EXACTLY the same crap pushed by that guilt-ridden guy who puts out a question and answer segment every Friday (I refuse to acknowledge his name - he makes me sick). Total TURN-OFF.

Now let’s get back to WRESTLING.

I don’t understand your position. Do you think racism within wrestling doesn’t exist? Or you don’t care if it does or doesn’t?

if you aren’t interested in the topic, that is fine. The way you are attacking it though? Why? 

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2 minutes ago, ThorsteinV said:

Maybe I will, it’s probably in the Census, right? I’m stuck thinking that it might be easier if he just tells me, since he surely already looked it up. 

Obviously there hasn’t been a study done in the wrestling community specifically around politics. Why would there be?

look at the hotbeds of wrestling and compare that to local and national election data. That will give you your answer. 

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Another angle.   As I mentioned looks like the mom sneaks away.   But I'd say this can be determined "not racist" if the mom was also escorted out by police holding her the entire time or if the guy was actually proven to have done something egregious.

Kudos to both kids who finished the match without incident.

 

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12 minutes ago, Housebuye said:

Obviously there hasn’t been a study done in the wrestling community specifically around politics. Why would there be?

look at the hotbeds of wrestling and compare that to local and national election data. That will give you your answer. 

I didn’t really think there would be.  Okay, I’ll do that: I’ll start with Cook County in Illinois where I lived for 10+ years, I know wrestling is very popular there. 

Of course, the real issue is that he was presenting a narrative that depended on premises that he couldn’t truly know.  If you take liberties like that, how careful and unbiased are you going to be when dealing with more complicated issues? 

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14 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

dmm would turn every single thread left wing political and anti religion if he could. He is "that guy" you run from at social gatherings because you know he is going to start his indoctrination crap.

Some say "indoctrination crap", others say "proselytize".  

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46 minutes ago, Housebuye said:

I don’t understand your position. Do you think racism within wrestling doesn’t exist? Or you don’t care if it does or doesn’t?

if you aren’t interested in the topic, that is fine. The way you are attacking it though? Why? 

Take it somewhere else. It doesnt sell with me.

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5 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

What is the point of putting this on here?  We don't have enough info for informed discourse. 

Because it’s an Internet forum?  We don’t have enough info for informed disclosure on what’s wrong with Spencer Lee either.

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