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Oh, I agree that the culture for the sport in Iowa is better than some of the states that produce top talent (CA being one of them), but I'm simply stating that you can't dismiss a state's superiority based on nothing but populace.

Regarding the access to top talent, it's an advantage to have great competition nearby, no doubt.

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Another way to look at relative strength is to consider HS participation numbers. From NFHS website, I pulled the following wrestling #s from the 2011-2012 school year:

California: 27,596

Illinois: 17,112

New York: 13,668

Ohio: 11,581

Michigan: 10,904

Texas: 10,582 (had no idea it was that high)

Pennsylvania: 9,920

New Jersey: 9,781

North Carolina: 9,470

Georgia: 9,041

Florida: 8,793

Washington: 8,377

Minnesota: 8,137

Indiana: 7,615

Wisconsin: 7,399

Missouri: 7,345

Iowa: 7,044

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A few others that interested me:

Virginia: 6,934

Kansas: 5,283

Oregon: 5,073

Utah: 3,359

Oklahoma: 3,080 (surprised this is not a bigger #)

 

Not sure what, if anything, it means, but interesting comparisons.

 

The whole "per capita" argument is weak. If you're arguing state vs state, it is what it is. That's why it's harder to win a state title in some states vs others.

Also, in states like NJ that have huge urban populations, there are large segments of the population that contribute little in terms of the state's wrestling.

 

Regardless of how it plays into the which state is better game, per capita better illustrates how wrestling fits into a state's culture.

 

CA - 17 / 38 million

IA - 15 / 3 million

 

One of 'em is a rasslin' state.

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Please understand - coaches will fill their roster with the best talent available. Coaches fight to keep their jobs, they are not part of charitable organizations. The coaches at PA schools do not get extra bonus points for recruiting a home state kid over an out of state kid. Do you think Flynn at Edinboro would pass on Dake if he had a shot at him in favor of less talented PA kid at that for that roster spot ?

All college coaches get the best kids they can from whatever State they can to make their team better.

In state tuition strategies definitely play a part. I think it's why Sanderson went to PSU to begin with. Much easier to pack the roster.

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Where's the guy that was beating his chest that Iowa is the 2nd best state, and it's not even close? :lol:

 

It will be interesting to see if Iowa moves up the list if we figure up the team points by state after the tournament.

 

What about per capita?

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NJWC, I'm not saying you are wrong about New Jersey is better than Iowa or I'm not even saying Iowa is better than Pennsylvania. I know this argument gets brought up every year and nothing ever gets solved all I'm saying is the gap isnt has HUGE as you say. I know people bring up the per capita thing all the time and I see what you are saying about that but at the same time Des Moines is the largest city in Iowa by far and most of the teams from the Des Moines area arent very competitive.

 

I've never really been out east to watch any wrestling so I cant comment a whole lot on it but i do know its pretty damn good. It is also pretty damn good in Iowa. What I do know is the iowa high school state wrestling tournament takes a back seat to no other state tournament in Iowa. Also unless it has changed in recent years the Iowa State wrestling tournament is the most heavily attended state wrestling tournament in the country and that is for good reason.

 

Pennsylvania, New Jersey, etc.... maybe be better on a given year and Iowa might not have the greatest quantity every year but we do still have a lot of quality. Lastly I am very involved in youth wrestling in Iowa and their are some absolute studs coming up. So back in the day Iowa was near the top and from what I have seen it can Iowa will be on their way up again in the future.

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NJWC, I'm not saying you are wrong about New Jersey is better than Iowa or I'm not even saying Iowa is better than Pennsylvania. I know this argument gets brought up every year and nothing ever gets solved all I'm saying is the gap isnt has HUGE as you say. I know people bring up the per capita thing all the time and I see what you are saying about that but at the same time Des Moines is the largest city in Iowa by far and most of the teams from the Des Moines area arent very competitive.

 

I've never really been out east to watch any wrestling so I cant comment a whole lot on it but i do know its pretty damn good. It is also pretty damn good in Iowa. What I do know is the iowa high school state wrestling tournament takes a back seat to no other state tournament in Iowa. Also unless it has changed in recent years the Iowa State wrestling tournament is the most heavily attended state wrestling tournament in the country and that is for good reason.

 

Pennsylvania, New Jersey, etc.... maybe be better on a given year and Iowa might not have the greatest quantity every year but we do still have a lot of quality. Lastly I am very involved in youth wrestling in Iowa and their are some absolute studs coming up. So back in the day Iowa was near the top and from what I have seen it can Iowa will be on their way up again in the future.

 

I hear you, and I'm just having some fun in response to a few who took potshots at NJ. I actually spent half of my wrestling days in PA, and have coached in PA and NJ. I see absolutely no difference between the two states, other than a little depth. The top kids are interchangeable.

I also realize that there is fine wrestling in the Midwest, and I love seeing the kids from all over come East to compete. I may well be relocating to the Midwest, and there's a chance my son will be wrestling in HS out there, so I look forward to seeing how that goes.

 

Enjoy the NCAAs.

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NJWC, I'm not saying you are wrong about New Jersey is better than Iowa or I'm not even saying Iowa is better than Pennsylvania. I know this argument gets brought up every year and nothing ever gets solved all I'm saying is the gap isnt has HUGE as you say. I know people bring up the per capita thing all the time and I see what you are saying about that but at the same time Des Moines is the largest city in Iowa by far and most of the teams from the Des Moines area arent very competitive.

 

I've never really been out east to watch any wrestling so I cant comment a whole lot on it but i do know its pretty damn good. It is also pretty damn good in Iowa. What I do know is the iowa high school state wrestling tournament takes a back seat to no other state tournament in Iowa. Also unless it has changed in recent years the Iowa State wrestling tournament is the most heavily attended state wrestling tournament in the country and that is for good reason.

 

Pennsylvania, New Jersey, etc.... maybe be better on a given year and Iowa might not have the greatest quantity every year but we do still have a lot of quality. Lastly I am very involved in youth wrestling in Iowa and their are some absolute studs coming up. So back in the day Iowa was near the top and from what I have seen it can Iowa will be on their way up again in the future.

 

I hear you, and I'm just having some fun in response to a few who took potshots at NJ. I actually spent half of my wrestling days in PA, and have coached in PA and NJ. I see absolutely no difference between the two states, other than a little depth. The top kids are interchangeable.

I also realize that there is fine wrestling in the Midwest, and I love seeing the kids from all over come East to compete. I may well be relocating to the Midwest, and there's a chance my son will be wrestling in HS out there, so I look forward to seeing how that goes.

 

Enjoy the NCAAs.

 

If hes going to be any good we will take him up here at Iowa :D

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The best wrestling state on a per capita participation basis is Vermont. Of course, that's due to one guy, the Vermonster, and the fact that there are only 166 high school wrestlers in the state. Below is a list of the ratio of national qualifiers per number of participants. Except for anomalies like Hamlin, this is probably the best way to determine which states produce the best college wrestlers (based on numbers of high school participants per state).

 

State Qual Ratio Participants

VT - 1 - 0.00602 - 166

PA - 52 - 0.00524 - 9,920

OH - 32 - 0.00276 - 11,581

NJ - 24 - 0.00245 - 9,781

IA - 15 - 0.00213 - 7,044

MT - 3 - 0.00195 - 1,540

WY - 2 - 0.00194 - 1,029

CO - 10 - 0.00188 - 5,322

UT - 6 - 0.00179 - 3,359

DE - 2 - 0.00178 - 1,126

MO - 13 - 0.00177 - 7,345

NY - 23 - 0.00168 - 13,668

SD - 2 - 0.00153 - 1,311

MI - 16 - 0.00147 - 10,904

MD - 7 - 0.00139 - 5,030

OK - 4 - 0.00130 - 3,080

MN - 10 - 0.00123 - 8,137

VA - 8 - 0.00115 - 6,934

ND - 1 - 0.00112 - 894

LA - 2 - 0.00109 - 1,834

WI - 8 - 0.00108 - 7,399

IL - 17 - 0.00099 - 17,112

ID - 2 - 0.00086 - 2,332

WA - 7 - 0.00084 - 8,377

FL - 7 - 0.00080 - 8,793

OR - 4 - 0.00079 - 5,073

IN - 6 - 0.00079 - 7,615

HI - 1 - 0.00076 - 1,316

KS - 4 - 0.00076 - 5,283

NM - 1 - 0.00070 - 1,432

AL - 1 - 0.00070 - 1,436

WV - 1 - 0.00062 - 1,610

CA - 17 - 0.00062 - 27,596

GA - 5 - 0.00055 - 9,041

NC - 5 - 0.00053 - 9,470

KY - 1 - 0.00052 - 1,926

MA - 2 - 0.00043 - 4,633

CT - 1 - 0.00034 - 2,961

TX - 3 - 0.00028 - 10,582

TN - 1 - 0.00023 - 4,336

AZ - 1 - 0.00017 - 5,753

MS - 0 - 0.00000 - 22

NH - 0 - 0.00000 - 735

ME - 0 0.00000 829

RI - 0 - 0.00000 - 982

AR - 0 - 0.00000 - 1,092

AK - 0 - 0.00000 - 2,114

NV - 0 - 0.00000 - 2,637

NE - 0 - 0.00000 - 4,419

SC - 0 - 0.00000 - 5,238

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NY

 

4th , typically around there but as far as high school rankings. Look long and hard to find them on intermat or any of the ranking organazation.

 

not complaining , Its just fact every year!

 

Frank C

 

 

 

 

 

 

Earl does a nice job of breaking down the NCAA qualifiers by state - as well as by college, alphabetically, and class. He also lists the 1x, 2x, 3x and 4x qualifiers. Link is: http://d1wrestling.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7277

 

Based on his data, I came up with the following:

 

PA - 52 - 15.8%

OH - 32 - 9.7%

NJ - 24 - 7.3%

NY - 23 - 7.0%

CA - 17 - 5.2%

IL - 17 - 5.2%

MI - 16 - 4.8%

IA - 15 - 4.5%

MO - 13 - 3.9%

CO - 10 - 3.0%

MN - 10 - 3.0%

VA - 8 - 2.4%

WI - 8 - 2.4%

FL - 7 - 2.1%

MD - 7 - 2.1%

WA - 7 - 2.1%

IN - 6 - 1.8%

UT - 6 - 1.8%

GA - 5 - 1.5%

NC - 5 - 1.5%

KS - 4 - 1.2%

OK - 4 - 1.2%

OR - 4 - 1.2%

MT - 3 - 0.9%

TX - 3 - 0.9%

DE - 2 - 0.6%

ID - 2 - 0.6%

LA - 2 - 0.6%

MA - 2 - 0.6%

SD - 2 - 0.6%

WY - 2 - 0.6%

AL - 1 - 0.3%

AZ - 1 - 0.3%

CT - 1 - 0.3%

HI - 1 - 0.3%

KY - 1 - 0.3%

ND - 1 - 0.3%

NM - 1 - 0.3%

TN - 1 - 0.3%

VT - 1 - 0.3%

WV - 1 - 0.3%

RUS - 1 - 0.3%

MGL - 1 - 0.3%

AK - 0 -

AR - 0 -

ME - 0 -

MS - 0 -

NE - 0 -

NV - 0 -

NH - 0 -

RI - 0 -

SC - 0 -

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Where's the guy that was beating his chest that Iowa is the 2nd best state, and it's not even close? :lol:

I did read a statistic that was I believe (could be mistaken on what exactly the criteria was) per population Iowa was second to PA in AA ?

I know when I read the stats, Iowa moved up the list rather quickly when either by population or by number of wrestlers.

 

If I have time I will search for the thread on Scout.

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Where's the guy that was beating his chest that Iowa is the 2nd best state, and it's not even close? :lol:

I did read a statistic that was I believe (could be mistaken on what exactly the criteria was) per population Iowa was second to PA in AA ?

I know when I read the stats, Iowa moved up the list rather quickly when either by population or by number of wrestlers.

 

If I have time I will search for the thread on Scout.

Probably referring to one of Jay's tables that listed # of AA's per state from 1961-2011:

 

http://wrestlingstats.com/aa/view_states60.php

 

Iowa drops to third (behind Oklahoma) if you look at the all-time table:

 

http://wrestlingstats.com/aa/view_states.php

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Alabama, Huntsville--Blake Herrin (American) Jr

 

Arizona, Clarkdale--Luke Goettl (Iowa State) So

 

California, Bakersfield--Bryce Hammond (CSU-Bakersfield) Fr

California, Chico--Nahshon Garrett (Cornell) Fr

California, Clovis--Scott Sakaguchi (Oregon State) Jr

California, Concord--Luke Sheridan (Indiana) So

California, Fresno--Stephen West (Columbia) Sr

California, Gilroy--Jesse Delgado (Illinois) So

California, Granite Bay--Ryan Loder (Northern Iowa) Jr

California, Highland--Chris Mecate (Old Dominion) Fr

California, Madera--James Cook (Campbell) So

California, McKinleyville--Mike Larson (Missouri) Sr

California, Moraga--Nikko Triggas (Ohio State) Sr

California, Quincy--Cody Pack (South Dakota State) So

California, Riverside--JT Felix (Boise State) Jr

California, San Diego--Tyler Iwamura (CSU-Bakersfield) Sr

California, Temecula--Jake Meredith (Arizona State) Sr

California, Vallejo--Matt Gibson (Iowa State) Sr

California, Walnut Creek--Jason Welch (Northwestern) Sr

 

Colorado, Alamosa--Cody Yohn (Minnesota) Sr

Colorado, Broomfield--David Marone (Virginia Tech) Sr

Colorado, Colorado Springs--Micah Burak (Penn) Sr

Colorado, Colorado Springs--Nathan Burak (Iowa) Fr

Colorado, Colorado Springs--Josh Martinez (Air Force) Fr

Colorado, Fort Collins--Josh Kreimier (Air Force) Jr

Colorado, Loveland--Tyler Graff (Wisconsin) Jr

Colorado, Loveland--Connor Medbery (Wisconsin) Fr

Colorado, Parker--Austin Gabel (Virginia Tech) Fr

Colorado, Redvale--Stryker Lane (Cornell) Sr

 

Connecticut, Meriden--Richard Perry (Bloomsburg) Jr

 

Delaware, Hockessin--Bobby Telford (Iowa) So

Delaware, Newark--Jarrod Garnett (Virginia Tech) Sr

 

Florida, Brandon--Rossi Bruno (Michigan) Fr

Florida, Brandon--Eric Grajales (Michigan) Jr

Florida, Destin--Odie Delaney (The Citadel) Sr

Florida, Fort Myers--Scott Sentes (Central Michigan) Sr

Florida, Hollywood--Ivan Lopouchanski (Purdue) Sr

Florida, Kissimmee--Niko Brown (Chattanooga) Sr

Florida, Spring Hill-Nick Soto (Chattanooga) So

 

Georgia, Conyers--Peter Yates (Virginia Tech) Sr

Georgia, Marietta--Alex Hudson (Chattanooga) Jr

Georgia, McDonough--Joey Lazor (Northern Iowa) Jr

Georgia, Powder Springs--Josh Condon (Chattanooga) Sr

Georgia, Stockbridge--Hunter Gamble (Gardner-Webb) Fr

 

Hawaii, Honolulu--David Terao (American) Fr

 

Idaho, Blackfoot--Alfonso Hernandez (Wyoming) Sr

Idaho, Rathdrum--Brandon Richardson (Wyoming) So

 

Illinois, Aurora--Mario Gonzalez (Illinois) Jr

Illinois, Carol Stream--Tony Ramos (Iowa) Jr

Illinois, Edwardsville--Daryl Thomas (Illinois) Sr

Illinois, Fox Lake--Lee Munster (Northwestern) So

Illinois, Joliet--Eddie Klimara (Oklahoma State) Fr

Illinois, Libertyville--Matt Bystol (Columbia) Jr

Illinois, Oak River--Chris Dardanes (Minnesota) So

Illinois, Oak River--Nick Dardanes (Minnesota) So

Illinois, Orland Park--Jon Morrison (Oklahoma State) Jr

Illinois, Orland Park--Conrad Polz (Illinois) Sr

Illinois, Richmond--Jordan Blanton (Illinois) Sr

Illinois, River Forest--Bobby Barnhisel (Navy) Sr

Illinois, Romeoville--KeVon Powell (Ohio) Fr

Illinois, St. Charles--Pat Greco (Northwestern) So

Illinois, Wheaton--Spartak Chino (Ohio) Fr

Illinois, Wheeling--Luke Smith (Central Michigan) Fr

Illinois, Woodridge--Ben Apland (Michigan) Sr

 

Indiana, Bloomington--Daniel Young (Army) Sr

Indiana, Castle--Chad Welch (Purdue) Fr

Indiana, Delphi--Braden Atwood (Purdue) So

Indiana, Indianapolis--Brandon Nelsen (Purdue) So

Indiana, Valparasio--Tommy Churchard (Purdue) Sr

Indiana, Winchester--Adam Chalfant (Indiana) Jr

 

Iowa, Columbus Junction--Matt Mougin (Northern Illinois) Jr

Iowa, Council Bluffs--Bret Baumbach (Stanford) Jr

Iowa, Council Bluffs--George Ivanov (Boise State) Sr

Iowa, Davenport--Max Mayfield (Iowa State) Sr

Iowa, Denver--Levi Wolfensperger (Northern Iowa) So

Iowa, Eagle Grove--Ridge Kiley (Nebraska) Sr

Iowa, Huxley--Tanner Weatherman (Iowa State) Fr

Iowa, Iowa City--Nick Moore (Iowa) So

Iowa, Keokuk--Julian Feikert (Oklahoma State) So

Iowa, Marion--Matt McDonough (Iowa) Sr

Iowa, Parnell--Derek St. John (Iowa) Jr

Iowa, Sheldon--Josh Ihnen (Nebraska) Sr

Iowa, Urbandale--Michael Moreno (Iowa State) So

Iowa, Waterloo--Kyven Gadson (Iowa State) So

Iowa, Waverly--Mark Ballweg (Iowa) Sr

 

Kansas, Leawood--Nathan McCormick (Missouri) Sr

Kansas, Wichita--Boaz Beard (Iowa State) Jr

Kansas, Wichita--Tyler Caldwell (Oklahoma State) Jr

Kansas, Wichita--Kendric Maple (Oklahoma) Jr

 

Kentucky, Morganfield--Caleb Ervin (Illinois) Fr

 

Louisiana, Baton Rouge--Ben Willeford (Cleveland State) Jr

Louisiana, Broussard--David Bonin (Northern Iowa) Sr

 

Maryland, Annapolis--Bubby Graham (Oklahoma) Sr

Maryland, Berlin--Dan Miller (Navy) Sr

Maryland, Chevy Chase--Evan Silver (Stanford) Fr

Maryland, Edgewood--Mathew Miller (Navy) Fr

Maryland, Ellicott City--Nathan Kraisser (North Carolina) Fr

Maryland, Parkton--Josh Asper (Maryland) Sr

Maryland, Pasadena--Frank Goodwin (Maryland) So

 

Massachusetts, Lowell--Sean Boyle (Michigan) Jr

Massachusetts, Plainville--Donald McNeil (Rider) So

 

Michigan, Allegan--John Rizqallah (Michigan State) So

Michigan, Carson City--Dan Osterman (Michigan State) Sr

Michigan, Dearborn--Paul Hancock (Army) Jr

Michigan, Hesperia--Dan Yates (Michigan) Jr

Michigan, Highland Park--Jarod Trice (Central Michigan) Sr

Michigan, Holland--Mike McClure (Michigan State) Jr

Michigan, Lapeer--Phillip Joseph (Eastern Michigan) Jr

Michigan, Lexington--Donnie Corby (Central Michigan) Sr

Michigan, Mason--LJ Helbig (Wyoming) Sr

Michigan, Oxford--Matt Frisch (The Citadel) Fr

Michigan, Redford--Ryan Watts (Michigan State) Jr

Michigan, Rockford--Ben Bennett (Central Michigan) Sr

Michigan, St. John's--Taylor Massa (Michigan) Fr

Michigan, Temperance--Nick Whitenburg (Eastern Michigan) Jr

Michigan, White Lake--Josh Houldsworth (Columbia) Jr

Michigan, Wyandotte--Christian Cullinan (Central Michigan) Sr

 

Minnesota, Bloomington--Dylan Ness (Minnesota) So

Minnesota, Burnsville--Craig Kelliher (Central Michigan) Jr

Minnesota, Cambridge--Tony Nelson (Minnesota) Jr

Minnesota, Dent--Mac Stoll (North Dakota State) Sr

Minnesota, Hastings--Luke Vaith (Hofstra) Jr

Minnesota, Jackson--Cole Von Ohlen (Air Force) Sr

Minnesota, Pennock--Kevin Steinhaus (Minnesota) Jr

Minnesota, Ramsey--Jake Kettler (George Mason) So

Minnesota, St. Michael--David Thorn (Minnesota) Jr

Minnesota, Wayzata--Danny Zilverberg (Minnesota) Jr

 

Missouri, Blue Springs--Dom Bradley (Missouri) Sr

Missouri, Blue Springs--Chris Chionuma (Oklahoma State) Sr

Missouri, Eureka--Matt Lester (Oklahoma) Jr

Missouri, Eureka--Nick Lester (Oklahoma) Jr

Missouri, House Springs--Todd Proctor (Missouri) Sr

Missouri, Kansas City--Cody Brewer (Oklahoma) Fr

Missouri, Kansas City--Brent Haynes (Missouri) Sr

Missouri, Kansas City--Alan Waters (Missouri) Jr

Missouri, Neosho--Blake Stauffer (Arizona State) Fr

Missouri, O'Fallon--Drake Houdashelt (Missouri) So

Missouri, St. Louis--Stephen Doty (Virginia) Jr

Missouri, St. Louis--Dan Scherer (Stanford) Jr

Missouri, St Peter's--Kyle Bradley (Missouri) Jr

 

Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar--Ugi Khishignyam (The Citadel) Fr

 

Montana, Billings--Trent Sprenkle (North Dakota State) Sr

Montana, Great Falls--Ty Vinson (Oregon State) Sr

Montana, Townsend--Jade Rauser (Utah Valley) Fr

 

New Jersey, Allendale--Nick Vetterlein (Virginia Tech) Jr

New Jersey, Bound Brook--Andrew Campolattano (Ohio State) So

New Jersey, Bound Brook--Nestor Taffur (Boston) Jr

New Jersey, Brick--Steve Santos (Columbia) Sr

New Jersey, Cherry Hill--Rob Deutsch (Old Dominion) Fr

New Jersey, Cherry Hill--Taylor Walsh (Indiana) So

New Jersey, Edison--Greg Zannetti (Rutgers) Sr

New Jersey, Gibbstown--Joe Duca (Indiana) So

New Jersey, Hewitt--Trevor Melde (Rutgers) Sr

New Jersey, Jackson--Scott Winston (Rutgers) Sr

New Jersey, Jersey City--Lenny Richardson (Old Dominion) Fr

New Jersey, Lodi--Dan Rinaldi (Rutgers) Sr

New Jersey, Long Branch--Nick Visicaro (Rutgers) So

New Jersey, Newton--Derek Valenti (Virginia) Sr

New Jersey, Plainfield--James Fox (Harvard) So

New Jersey, Sayreville--Ramon Santiago (Rider) Jr

New Jersey, Secaucus--Kevin Innis (Boston) Jr

New Jersey, Toms River--Vinnie Dellafave (Rutgers) Jr

New Jersey, Toms River--Jimmy Lawson (Penn State) So

New Jersey, Totowa--Chris Villalonga (Cornell) So

New Jersey, Trenton--Canaan Bethea (Penn) Jr

New Jersey, Wantage--William Smith (Rutgers) Fr

New Jersey, Williamstown--CJ Cobb (Penn) So

New Jersey, Willingboro--James Green (Nebraska) So

 

New Mexico, Albuquerque--Eric Montoya (Campbell) Fr

 

New York, Brockport--Christian Boley (Maryland) Jr

New York, Brockport--John-Martin Cannon (Buffalo) Sr

New York, Caledonia--Nate Schiedel (Binghamton) Sr

New York, Depew--Mark Lewandowski (Buffalo) Sr

New York, Fox Lane--Sam Speno (NC State) Fr

New York, Greene--Nick Wilcox (Bloomsburg) Jr

New York, King's Park--Max Soria (Buffalo) So

New York, Lansing--Kyle Dake (Cornell) Sr

New York, Marathon--Donnie Vinson (Binghamton) Sr

New York, Medford--Ernest James (Edinboro) Jr

New York, Monroe--Jamie Franco (Hofstra) Jr

New York, Morrisville--Ryan LeBlanc (Indiana) Jr

New York, Northport--Jimmy Morris (Rider) So

New York, Perry--Mike Nevinger (Cornell) Jr

New York, Pound Ridge--Billy Watterson (Brown) Jr

New York, Rochester--Josh Veltre (Bloomsburg) Jr

New York, Shoreham--Steven Keith (Harvard) Sr

New York, Staten Island--Connor Hanafee (Army) Sr

New York, Syosset--Steven Graziano (Penn) Jr

New York, Walton--Cody Reed (Binghamton) Jr

New York, Wantagh--Stephen Bonanno (Hofstra) Sr

New York, Wantagh--John Greisheimer (Edinboro) Jr

New York, Warsaw--Ian Paddock (Ohio State) Jr

 

North Carolina, Asheville--Nijel Jones (NC State) Jr

North Carolina, Castle Hayne--Frank Hickman (Bloomsburg) Sr

North Carolina, Concord--Dominic Parisi (Appalachian State) So

North Carolina, Fayetteville--Kevin Radford (Arizona State) So

North Carolina, Mebane--Joe DeAngelo (NC State) Jr

 

North Dakota, Fargo--Scott Schiller (Minnesota) So

 

Ohio, Berea--Dustin Kilgore (Kent State) Sr

Ohio, Broadview Heights--Jeremy Johnson (Ohio) Jr

Ohio, Cincinnati--Ian Korb (Penn) So

Ohio, Cincinnati--Joey Ward (North Carolina) Fr

Ohio, Cleveland--David Habat (Edinboro) So

Ohio, Cleveland--Nick Sulzer (Virginia) So

Ohio, Copley--Sam Wheeler (Kent State) Fr

Ohio, Dayton--Zach Neibert (Virginia Tech) Jr

Ohio, Euclid--Phillip Wellington (Ohio) Fr

Ohio, Highland Heights--George DiCamillo (Virginia) Fr

Ohio, Homeworth--Alex Utley (North Carolina) So

Ohio, Lakewood--Anthony Salupo (Lehigh) So

Ohio, Lorain--Steve Mitcheff (Kent State) Sr

Ohio, Loveland--Pierce Harger (Northwestern) So

Ohio, Macedonia--Cody Walters (Ohio) Fr

Ohio, Mansfield--Brandon Gambucci (Duke) So

Ohio, Marysville--Caleb Marsh (Kent State) So

Ohio, Massillion--Nick Heflin (Ohio State) Jr

Ohio, Monroeville--Hunter Stieber (Ohio State) So

Ohio, Monroeville--Logan Stieber (Ohio State) So

Ohio, Mount Vernon--Jedd Moore (Virginia) Sr

Ohio, Oak Harbor--Cody Magrum (Ohio State) Sr

Ohio, Sidney--Zach Toal (Missouri) Jr

Ohio, St. Paris--Nick Brascetta (Virginia Tech) So

Ohio, St. Paris--David Taylor (Penn State) Jr

Ohio, St. Paris--Max Thomusseit (Pittsburgh) So

Ohio, St. Paris--Zac Thomusseit (Pittsburgh) Sr

Ohio, Strongsville--Mark Martin (Ohio State) Fr

Ohio, Union--Casey Newburg (Kent State) Sr

Ohio, Washington--Riley Shaw (Cleveland State) Fr

Ohio, Westerville--Josh Demas (Ohio State) So

Ohio, Westerville--Jesse Dong (Virginia Tech) Sr

 

Oklahoma, Broken Arrow--Derek Steeley (Binghamton) Sr

Oklahoma, Ponca City--Blake Rosholt (Oklahoma State) Jr

Oklahoma, Stillwater--Chris Perry (Oklahoma State) Jr

Oklahoma, Tuttle--Shane Woods (Wyoming) So

 

Oregon, Dayton--Chad Hanke (Oregon State) Sr

Oregon, Hubbard--Levi Cooper (Arizona State) Sr

Oregon, Molalla--Cody Weishoff (Oregon State) Sr

Oregon, Salem--RJ Pena (Oregon State) Jr

 

Pennsylvania, Abbottstown--Jordan Conaway (Penn State) Fr

Pennsylvania, Bellefonte--Mitchell Port (Edinboro) So

Pennsylvania, Belle Vernon--Donnie Tasser (Pittsburgh) Sr

Pennsylvania, Bethel Park--Nick Bonaccorsi (Pittsburgh) Fr

Pennsylvania, Bethlehem--Randy Cruz (Lehigh) Fr

Pennsylvania, Bethlehem--Devon Lotito (Cal Poly) Fr

Pennsylvania, Bethlehem--Brandon Palik (Drexel) Jr

Pennsylvania, Boiling Springs--Joey Napoli (Lehigh) Jr

Pennsylvania, Boiling Springs--Joe Spisak (Virginia) So

Pennsylvania, Broomall--Richard Durso (Franklin & Marshall) So

Pennsylvania, Dalmatia--Jon Fausey (Virginia) Jr

Pennsylvania, Donora--Fred Garcia (Lock Haven) Jr

Pennsylvania, Easton--Justin Grant (Bloomsburg) Jr

Pennsylvania, Easton--Mike McMullan (Northwestern) So

Pennsylvania, Easton--Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State) Sr

Pennsylvania, Easton--Jimmy Sheptock (Maryland) Jr

Pennsylvania, Enola--Mike Evans (Iowa) So

Pennsylvania, Grove City--Caleb Kolb (Nebraska) Jr

Pennsylvania, Harleysville--Joe Stolfi (Bucknell) Fr

Pennsylvania, Harrisburg--Tony Dallago (Illinois) Jr

Pennsylvania, Harrisburg--Walter Peppelman (Harvard) Sr

Pennsylvania, Harrisburg--Ed Ruth (Penn State) Jr

Pennsylvania, Holland--Mark Rappo (Penn) Sr

Pennsylvania, Latrobe--Nathan Pennesi (West Virginia) Jr

Pennsylvania, Lewisburg--Nathaniel Brown (Lehigh) So

Pennsylvania, Lewistown--Tyler Bedelyon (Clarion) Jr

Pennsylvania, Lewistown--Matt Snyder (Virginia) Sr

Pennsylvania, Lititz--Bryan Pearsall (Penn State) Sr

Pennsylvania, Meadville--Shelton Mack (Pittsburgh) Jr

Pennsylvania, Mill Hall--Andrew Alton (Penn State) So

Pennsylvania, Mill Hall--Dylan Alton (Penn State) So

Pennsylvania, Mountaintop--Jake O'Hara (Columbia) Sr

Pennsylvania, Mountaintop--Josh Roosa (Bloomsburg) Sr

Pennsylvnaia, Muncy--Zack Strickland (Appalachian State) Fr

Pennsylvania, Murrysville--Nico Megaludis (Penn State) So

Pennsylvania, New Florence--Evan Henderson (North Carolina) So

Pennsylvania, North Huntingdon--Mike Salopek (Virginia) Sr

Pennsylvania, Orangeville--Corey Lear (Bucknell) Sr

Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh--Geoff Alexander (Maryland) So

Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh--Anthony Elias (Davidson) So

Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh--Matt Wilps (Pittsburgh) Sr

Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh--Tyler Wilps (Pittsburgh) So

Pennsylvania, Plymouth-Whitemarsh--John Michael Staudenmayer (North Carolina) Fr

Pennsylvania, Quarryville--Dan Neff (Lock Haven) Fr

Pennsylvania, Schnecksville--Mike Ottinger (Central Michigan) So

Pennsylvania, State College--Steve Bosak (Cornell) Sr

Pennsylvania, Tyrone--Ronnie Garbinsky (Pittsburgh) Fr

Pennsylvania, Tyrone--Aaron Schopp (Edinboro) So

Pennsylvania, Upper St. Clair--Mackenzie McGuire (Kent State) Fr

Pennsylvania, West Mifflin--James Fleming (Clarion) Sr

Pennsylvania, Wingate--Quentin Wright (Penn State) Sr

Pennsylvania, Yardley--Frank Cimato (Drexel) Sr

 

Russia, Moscow--Alan Gelogaev (Oklahoma State) Sr

 

South Dakota, Roslyn--Logan Storley (Minnesota) So

South Dakota, Wagner--Robert Kokesh (Nebraska) So

 

Tennessee, Cleveland--Dean Pavlou (Chatanooga) Sr

 

Texas, Allen--Ophir Bernstein (Brown) So

Texas, Amarillo--Jace Bennett (Cornell) Jr

Texas, The Woodlands--Erik Spjut (Virginia Tech) Jr

 

Utah, Avon--Ethen Lofthouse (Iowa) Jr

Utah, Layton--Adam Fager (Utah Valley) So

Utah, Morgan--Josh Wilson (Utah Valley) Sr

Utah, Payson--McCade Ford (Wyoming) Sr

Utah, Springville--Jason Chamberlain (Boise State) Sr

Utah, West Valley City--Matt Brown (Penn State) So

 

Vermont, Jonesville--Robert Hamlin (Lehigh) Sr

 

Virginia, Alexandria--Raymond Borja (Navy) Jr

Virginia, Annandale--Dane Harlowe (Boston) Fr

Virginia, Chesapeake--Billy Curling (Old Dominion) Jr

Virginia, Glen Allen--Peyton Walsh (Navy) So

Virginia, Petersburg--Blake Roulo (Buffalo) So

Virginia, Stafford--Max Huntley (Michigan) So

Virginia, Virginia Beach--Bryce Barnes (Army) Fr

Virginia, Winchester--Derrick Borlie (Virginia Tech) Jr

 

Washington, Auburn--Michael Mangrum (Oregon State) Sr

Washington, Auburn--Jake Swartz (Boise State) Jr

Washington, Kent--Kevin Tao (American) Sr

Washington, Orting--Taylor Meeks (Oregon State) So

Washington, Port Orchard--Conner Hartmann (Duke) Fr

Washington, Spokane--Brian Owen (Boise State) Sr

Washington, Yelm--Dylan Hyder (Air Force) So

 

West Virginia, Fairmont--Mason Bailey (Navy) Sr

 

Wisconsin, Beloit--Alex Polizzi (Northwestern) So

Wisconsin, Luxemburg--Zac Cibula (Rider) Sr

Wisconsin, Pewaukee--Nick Hucke (Missouri) Sr

Wisconsin, Port Washington--Alex Dieringer (Oklahoma State) Fr

Wisconsin, Watertown--Jake Sueflohn (Nebraska) So

Wisconsin, Wausau--Jackson Hein (Wisconsin) Jr

Wisconsin, Wausau--Evan Knutson (North Dakota State) So

Wisconsin, Wausau--Steven Monk (North Dakota State) Jr

 

Wyoming, Gillette--Tyler Cox (Wyoming) So

Wyoming, Rock Springs--Andy McCulley (Wyoming) So

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There are different ways to measure the various states' contributions. By total # of qualifiers, PA is clearly the leader with 52 qualifiers vs #2 OH with 32.

 

On a pure per capita basis, the list of major players looks like this:

 

IA 4.8 (ncaa qualifiers per million population)

PA 4

NJ 2.8

OH 2.7

MO 2.2

MN 1.9

VT 1.7

MI 1.6

WI 1.4

IL 1.3

NY 1.2

OK 1.1

OR 1.0

CA 0.5

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"this is probably the best way to determine which states produce the best college wrestlers (based on numbers of high school participants per state)."

 

Agree.

 

Whereas percapita can speak to the culture in a state (I'd like to see participants as a percent of population also), NQs as a percent of participants is even better.

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There are different ways to measure the various states' contributions. By total # of qualifiers, PA is clearly the leader with 52 qualifiers vs #2 OH with 32.

 

On a pure per capita basis, the list of major players looks like this:

 

IA 4.8 (ncaa qualifiers per million population)

PA 4

NJ 2.8

OH 2.7

MO 2.2

MN 1.9

VT 1.7

MI 1.6

WI 1.4

IL 1.3

NY 1.2

OK 1.1

OR 1.0

CA 0.5

I'd still say that Vermont is an anomaly and not a major player as you've indicated above. Vermont's population is less than a million (625,741 based on the 2010 census). Thus your indication that the state produces 1.7 NCAA qualifiers per million population is misleading, IMO. While that number may be arrived at statistically, I doubt that many would agree with you that Vermont is a greater contributor than the seven states you list below the Green Mountain State. Especially as their contribution of NCAA qualifiers, however its measured, is based on the accomplishments of a single individual.

 

Also, states differ significantly in demographics. For example, 17.3% of Florida's population is over 65, but they would be included in determining NCAA qualifiers on a per capita basis. Therefore, I think its more germane to look at the population that actually wrestles, instead of the population of the entire state.

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"this is probably the best way to determine which states produce the best college wrestlers (based on numbers of high school participants per state)."

 

Agree.

 

Whereas percapita can speak to the culture in a state (I'd like to see participants as a percent of population also), NQs as a percent of participants is even better.

National Qualifiers as a Percent of High School Participants per State:

 

VT - 0.60%

PA - 0.52%

OH - 0.28%

NJ - 0.25%

IA - 0.21%

MT - 0.19%

WY - 0.19%

CO - 0.19%

UT - 0.18%

DE - 0.18%

MO - 0.18%

NY - 0.17%

SD - 0.15%

MI - 0.15%

MD - 0.14%

OK - 0.13%

MN - 0.12%

VA - 0.12%

ND - 0.11%

LA - 0.11%

WI - 0.11%

IL - 0.10%

ID - 0.09%

WA - 0.08%

FL - 0.08%

OR - 0.08%

IN - 0.08%

HI - 0.08%

KS - 0.08%

NM - 0.07%

AL - 0.07%

WV - 0.06%

CA - 0.06%

GA - 0.06%

NC - 0.05%

KY - 0.05%

MA - 0.04%

CT - 0.03%

TX - 0.03%

TN - 0.02%

AK - 0.00%

AZ - 0.02%

AR - 0.00%

ME - 0.00%

MS - 0.00%

NE - 0.00%

NV - 0.00%

NH - 0.00%

RI - 0.00%

SC - 0.00%

 

Note that Vermont and Tennessee each had one qualifier. However, Tennessee has 4,336 high school wrestlers to Vermont's 166. Thus, their respective percentages are significantly different. As with any other statistics, a little common sense (or controlling for low participant numbers) is needed before making conclusions.

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VT, with 166 participants in HS wrestling, would be roughly equal to 5 or 6 teams worth. One ncaa qualifier shoots them to #1 on the list. If no one from VT makes it next year, they drop to last place.

 

Hurricane, I would agree that given the extremely low #'s we're talking about with Vermont, they aren't really a major player, and I only put them on the list with others because they appeared at #1 on what you called the "best state on a per capita participation basis."

 

Regarding demographics, the point you raise about age is valid ... folks over 65 aren't wrestling. FL has the most over 65, but PA and IA both rank very high in that over 65 group as well. PA is #2 in the country with 15.6% and IA is #4 with 14.9% Both much higher than CA with 10.6%. But why limit it to 65? It's not like 45 yr olds are participating either.

 

For me, any one statistic is like a picture... a single way of looking at something. More than one statistic can be valid. Pretending a state's overall population doesn't matter when it comes to producing higher #'s of any kind of talent, sports or otherwise, is hard to support.

 

Every population group will have a spectrum of people with different talents and abilities, a Bell curve. Some are brains, some artists and some have natural gifts and aptitudes for sports. Having a base pool of 20 million instead of a base of 2 million will increase the odds of having a greater # of talented athletes (or geniuses or most anything one measures).

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VT, with 166 participants in HS wrestling, would be roughly equal to 5 or 6 teams worth. One ncaa qualifier shoots them to #1 on the list. If no one from VT makes it next year, they drop to last place.

 

Hurricane, I would agree that given the extremely low #'s we're talking about with Vermont, they aren't really a major player, and I only put them on the list with others because they appeared at #1 on what you called the "best state on a per capita participation basis."

Well, that doesn't make sense. I pointed out that Vermont was an anomaly because the data was based on one individual. You're the one that said they were a major player, not me.

 

Regarding demographics, the point you raise about age is valid ... folks over 65 aren't wrestling. FL has the most over 65, but PA and IA both rank very high in that over 65 group as well. PA is #2 in the country with 15.6% and IA is #4 with 14.9% Both much higher than CA with 10.6%. But why limit it to 65? It's not like 45 yr olds are participating either.

I never said anything about limiting it to 65. I said that states differ significantly in demographics. Then I said "For example, 17.3% of Forida's population is over 65." I never inferred that 45 year olds were participating in high school wrestling. I simply used 65 year olds as an example because there is readily available census data about them. An example is just that, one representation of something, not an all-inclusive list.

 

For me, any one statistic is like a picture... a single way of looking at something. More than one statistic can be valid. Pretending a state's overall population doesn't matter when it comes to producing higher #'s of any kind of talent, sports or otherwise, is hard to support.

I never pretended that a state's overall population doesn't matter. I merely expressed an opinion that looking at the population that is actually wrestling was more germane to the discussion. In short, in determining which states are producing NCAA qualifiers, I prefer to look at at the wrestlers in those states. If you wish to look at the total population in the state (which includes 45 year olds, 65 year olds, females, babies, the handicapped, etc.) that's a different methodology. Both have their uses, however, I think your method says more about culture and/or the popularity of wrestling in a given state than it does about the overall quality of the wrestlers those states produce.

 

Every population group will have a spectrum of people with different talents and abilities, a Bell curve. Some are brains, some artists and some have natural gifts and aptitudes for sports. Having a base pool of 20 million instead of a base of 2 million will increase the odds of having a greater # of talented athletes (or geniuses or most anything one measures).

Yes, I'm quite aware of that and I would point out that your methodology controls for that variable. In short, the use of a per capita per million of population is a statistical method of measuring that reduces the confounding effect of variations in the overall population. I think it strange that you accuse me of pretending that a state's overall population doesn't matter, when you're the one that selected a method that statistically equalizes the overall population.

 

At any rate, I merely went one step further and controlled for all those residents of a state that don't wrestle. Again, I wished to look at the population that actually wrestled, not the overall population. You, of course, may use any method you prefer, but I think most reasonable people would agree that some methods are better than others.

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