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28 minutes ago, Pinnum said:

The issue is that the incentives are not in alignment.

Individual matches happen for the sole benefit of the individual.  Event results don't matter.  You want to win a national team title or get a team trophy?  Get as many guys through to nationals as possible and work to give them the highest seeding possible.  It doesn't matter what happens in the events that are wrestled in the season.  Always look out for the individual. That is the problem.  The incentives are off.

 

So you're saying they need a team duals championship?

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28 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

So you're saying they need a team duals championship?

That would change forfeits in the regular season for the dozen teams who would care about a dual title, but it would have zero effect on forfeits at conference tournaments.

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12 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

So you're saying they need a team duals championship?

I don't think that is the only thing. But yeah... That would create an incentive to look out for the team, especially if team results during the season were a pre-requisite for qualification to the National Championship.

 

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1 hour ago, boconnell said:

That would change forfeits in the regular season for the dozen teams who would care about a dual title, but it would have zero effect on forfeits at conference tournaments.

It would probably be more than dozens.  It would, of course, depend on how many teams qualified for the tournament, but it wouldn't just be teams that are in the running for the title.  Qualifying for the tournament would be an accomplishment that teams would want to have on their resume too.  So you'd see many teams taking an interest in the team results and not forfeiting because they could be a bubble team for at-large selection.  Even the teams that missed the cut would have been trying to make the cut.

But you're right, the conference tournament would still have an incentive for forfeits if a dual championship was all that was changed.

What is the purpose of a conference championship?  If it's to determine the conference champion, then why isn't it single elimination? 

I don't buy the argument that it is too much travel for one match when all of the teams in the conference travel for single duals of the same distance.

If the conference championship is really just a national qualifier, then is it the best system for awarding bids?  I believe that we have a very poor system right now for handling national qualifiers.  It just happens to be a great improvement over the much worse prior system that it replaced.

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