fadzaev2 545 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 There is talk of the 133 pound weight class being the greatest of all-time, and I was willing to think it might just be, until yesterday when I was talking to a few good buddies. A couple of wt. class brackets popped up from the past, and I researched them and here's what I found.... 2008 149 pounds 1. Metcalf 1st 2nd 1st 2. Jenkins 2nd and 1st at 157 (we all know how that worked out) 3. Burroughs 3rd 1st and 1st, both at 157 4. J. Churella 8th 2nd 4th 5. Darrion Caldwell 5th 1st 6. JP O'Connor 5th, 6th and 1st 7. Dustin Schlatter 1st, 3rd, 7th 8. Lance Palmer 4th, 8th, 4th, 2nd 8 NCAA CHAMPIONS 22 All-americans All 8 guys were multiple time All-Americans Another wt. class that came to mind in terms of most NCAA titles in the wt. class 1994 158 pounds (Most NCAA titles in the wt. class?) 1. Pat Smith 1 1 1 1 2. Sean Bormet 3 2 3. Earl Walker 3 4. Dan Alar 4 5. Marcus Mollica 1 5 1 4 6. Aaron Moran 6 7. Joe Williams 7 1 1 1 8. Dan Wirnsberger 4 8 2 9 NCAA CHAMPIONS 20 All Americans Maybe someone top one of these, or both!!! Could be lot's more???? Only 6 more days 'til the BIG DANCE, as Ed Aliverti used to say "The Greatest Show on Earth", about 10 years ago, tired of watching Bball between session, and hearing the term March Madness way too many times, I started saying what about March Matness ©! 1 MikePorcelli reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pennsyrules 222 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 Tough to beat the 149 you displayed! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,012 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 133 will likely surpass even 149 when all their careers are done and Gross isn’t even in this year’s bracket. Fix has 3 more years left. Suriano has another. DeSanto has 2 more. Micic has another year. Phillipi is only a freshman. Wilson has 2 more left. Pletcher has another. Gomez and RBY are both freshmen as well. Simply put, there are a ton of guys that are going to be 3x AA’s if not 4. If some of them move weights(which is inevitable), they should increase the amount of Championships as well. 2 PSUMike and BigTenFanboy reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yonz_g 67 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 Don't overlook [2014 125 lbs.] 1st: Jesse Delgado - 2x Champ, 3x all-american 2nd: Nahshon Garrett - 1x Champ, 4x all-american, 2x Finalist 3rd: Nico Megaludis - 1x Champ, 4x all-american, 3x Finalist 4th: Joey Dance - 2x all-american 5th: Cory Clark - 1x Champ, 4x all-american, 3x Finalist 6th: Dylan Peters - 2x all-american 7th: Darian Cruz - 1x Champ, 3x all-american 8th: Earl Hall - 2x all-american 6 NCAA Champions 24 All Americans 11 Finals Appearences 3 fadzaev2, herma48852 and MikePorcelli reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 586 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 Don't have the stats in front of me and don't even have the year, but the year Tirapelle won 149 was a brutal bracket. Again, don't have the stats so don't know how the numbers compare to the above comparisons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 545 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 39 minutes ago, MSU158 said: 133 will likely surpass even 149 when all their careers are done and Gross isn’t even in this year’s bracket. Fix has 3 more years left. Suriano has another. DeSanto has 2 more. Micic has another year. Phillipi is only a freshman. Wilson has 2 more left. Pletcher has another. Gomez and RBY are both freshmen as well. Simply put, there are a ton of guys that are going to be 3x AA’s if not 4. If some of them move weights(which is inevitable), they should increase the amount of Championships as well. I thought of that.....not going to disagree with you....but at present!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 In 2008 most of those accomplishments had not yet taken place. - 6 previous AA placements with 2 of them outside the top 4. Metcalf was not yet an AA Lance Palmer was a 1x AA returning 4 JB not yet an AA Caldwell not yet an AA Schlatter 2x AA 1 and Returning 3 Churella 2x AA 8 and returning 2 Jenkins not yet an AA O'connor a 1x AA returning 5 Compared to this years 133 - 7 previous AA placements all within the top 4. Miccic 2x AA 4 AND returning 2 Lizak 2x AA 2 and returning 4 Suriano returning 2 Pletcher returning 4 Wilson returning 3 The 2008 bracket went on to do some amazing things, but you cant give credit for how tough a bracket is form things they haven't yet accomplished. 1 mcbains reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudge_tunnel 118 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, 2td3nf said: Don't have the stats in front of me and don't even have the year, but the year Tirapelle won 149 was a brutal bracket. Again, don't have the stats so don't know how the numbers compare to the above comparisons. Only 1 other in that weight won a national title - Jared Lawrence. Also had M Zadick, Dave Esposito, Jared Frayer. All very tough and multiple time AA’s, but not at the level of the ‘08 149, ‘94 158 or ‘19 133 1 2td3nf reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigerfan 223 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 How about 2015 197? Gadsen 3xAA/1 Champ, Snyder 4xAA/3xChamp, Cox 4xAA/3xChamp, Schiller 3xAA, Burak 3xAA, McIntosh 3xAA, Hartmann 3xAA and Huntley 1xAA 3 MikePorcelli, krippler and Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 1,076 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 2016 heavyweight at least deserves a mention: Snyder (NCAA 3x champ, 4x AA) (UWW 3x gold medalist, 1x silver) Gwiz (NCAA 2x champ, 4x AA) (UWW 2x bronze medalist) Coon (NCAA 2x runner up, 3x AA) (UWW 1x silver medalist, 2x junior bronze medalist, 1x cadet gold medalist) Walz (NCAA 3x AA) (UWW U23 bronze medalist) Dhesi (NCAA 2x AA so far) (UWW junior gold medalist) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luckysevens 12 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 125 2018 Lee Suriano Tomasello Lizak Cruz Rivera Bresser Moisey 3 Champions 6 Finalists 15 all American placments. That's by the end of the tournament and not taking into account future accomplishments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 920 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) Don't think it's right to count total number of titles earned - prefer to count the number of eventual titlists. (e.g., Pat Smith's, Joe Williams', and Marcus Mollica's 9 combined titles over-inflates the value of the bracket). Total AA honors for the group is okay, but I would stay away from total titles. I find myself looking many of the 125 brackets from the Travis Lee to the Nico Megaluids eras. Just listing eventual champs (many multi-time AAs as well - e.g., Simmons, Haze, Sanders, Precin, etc)... 2002: Abas, Powell (5), Lee (7) 2003: Lee, Powell (3) 2004: Powell, Valenti (5), Dubuque (8) 2005: Dubuque, Coleman Scott (8) 2006: Dubuque, Nickerson (2), Scott (5), Donahoe (R12) 2007: Donahue; Nickerson (3), Escobedo (4), Ness (5) 2008: Escobedo, Ness (2), Donahue (3), Robles (R12) 2009: Nickerson, Donahue (2), Robles (4), Escobedo (5) 2010: McBono, Escobedo (3), Nickerson (4), Robles (7) 2011: Robles, McBono (2) 2012: McBono, Megaludis (2), Delgado (7) 2013: Delgado, Megaludis (2), Garrett (3); McBono (R12) 2014: Delgado, Garrett (2), Megaludis (3), Clark (5), Cruz (7) 2015: Tomasello, Garrett (5) 2016: Megaludis, Gillman (2), Tomasello (3), Cruz (R12) Edited March 16, 2019 by lu_alum 1 GreatWhiteNorth reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 545 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 4 hours ago, yonz_g said: Don't overlook [2014 125 lbs.] 1st: Jesse Delgado - 2x Champ, 3x all-american 2nd: Nahshon Garrett - 1x Champ, 4x all-american, 2x Finalist 3rd: Nico Megaludis - 1x Champ, 4x all-american, 3x Finalist 4th: Joey Dance - 2x all-american 5th: Cory Clark - 1x Champ, 4x all-american, 3x Finalist 6th: Dylan Peters - 2x all-american 7th: Darian Cruz - 1x Champ, 3x all-american 8th: Earl Hall - 2x all-american 6 NCAA Champions 24 All Americans 11 Finals Appearences Good one, I like it!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 820 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) A favorite bracket of mine is the 126 class, 1989. Kendall Cross 3 x AA 1 time champ Oly Gold Michael Stokes 1x AA 1x finalist Jim Martin 4-2-1-3 Tom Brands 4-1-1-1 Workd and Oly Gold Jason Keller 5-2-1 Peter Gonzales 2x AA Gary McCall 2x AA John Epperly 2x AA the 177 class with Schultz, Banach, Heller, Hummel, Scheer etc is another that comes mind. 118 in 1982 pretty distinctive as well; top 8 included 4 guys who would go on to earn world/Oly Silver or Gold: Davis, Darkus, Weaver, McFarland. Edited March 16, 2019 by KTG119 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingK0ng 175 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 That 08 bracket also had Ryan Lang in it that had been 2nd the year before at a weight lower. He lost to Bubba on the front side then lost to Will "The Thrill" Rowe in a wild match on the backside. Though Will never made AA he was a very good wrestler, one of the few that had a victory over Darrion Caldwell by fall. A couple of other guys made AA the next year at this same weight in Bryce Saddoris and Jake Patacsil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,438 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 16 hours ago, Katie said: 2016 heavyweight at least deserves a mention: Snyder (NCAA 3x champ, 4x AA) (UWW 3x gold medalist, 1x silver) Gwiz (NCAA 2x champ, 4x AA) (UWW 2x bronze medalist) Coon (NCAA 2x runner up, 3x AA) (UWW 1x silver medalist, 2x junior bronze medalist, 1x cadet gold medalist) Walz (NCAA 3x AA) (UWW U23 bronze medalist) Dhesi (NCAA 2x AA so far) (UWW junior gold medalist) This weight may end up having 4 Olympians in 2020 (Dhesi for Canada). That has to be a record of some sort Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruocified 22 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 17 hours ago, KTG119 said: 118 in 1982 pretty distinctive as well; top 8 included 4 guys who would go on to earn world/Oly Silver or Gold: Davis, Darkus, Weaver, McFarland. Weaver was already a silver world medalist in 1979 and made the Olympic team in 1980 at the time of this tournament, and then won Olympic gold in 84. He was a 48kg wrestler and was giving up a ton of weight in college, especially in the early 80s when guys were cutting a ridiculous amount, so he didn't accomplish much there, but was incredible at his natural weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 820 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Cruocified said: Weaver was already a silver world medalist in 1979 and made the Olympic team in 1980 at the time of this tournament, and then won Olympic gold in 84. He was a 48kg wrestler and was giving up a ton of weight in college, especially in the early 80s when guys were cutting a ridiculous amount, so he didn't accomplish much there, but was incredible at his natural weight. yep and with all that still manged to place 3rd this one time at NCAAs. one of his wins in this bracket was over McFarland an eventual world silver medalist at 136. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryan 49 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cruocified said: Weaver was already a silver world medalist in 1979 and made the Olympic team in 1980 at the time of this tournament, and then won Olympic gold in 84. He was a 48kg wrestler and was giving up a ton of weight in college, especially in the early 80s when guys were cutting a ridiculous amount, so he didn't accomplish much there, but was incredible at his natural weight. I would venture to guess that in 1982 the AA's at 118lb were naturally larger than the 125lb AA's in 2019. It was nothing for them to be 5'7 and 150+ in the offseason. Edited March 17, 2019 by Bryan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 920 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, Bryan said: I would venture to guess that in 1982 the AA's at 118lb were naturally larger than the 125lb AA's in 2019. It was nothing for them to be 5'7 and 150+ in the offseason. You ever hear stories about Gene Mills cutting weight? I seem to recall one about his mounting an exercise bike in the van during a trip to a Lehigh dual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 545 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Cruocified said: Weaver was already a silver world medalist in 1979 and made the Olympic team in 1980 at the time of this tournament, and then won Olympic gold in 84. He was a 48kg wrestler and was giving up a ton of weight in college, especially in the early 80s when guys were cutting a ridiculous amount, so he didn't accomplish much there, but was incredible at his natural weight. Again, good stuff....I like it!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 545 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Bryan said: I would venture to guess that in 1982 the AA's at 118lb were naturally larger than the 125lb AA's in 2019. It was nothing for them to be 5'7 and 150+ in the offseason. I remember talking to Jack Griffin and said he was quite a bit bigger than Zeke Jones for their finals match (night before weigh-in and Zeke wasn't huge for the weight class. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornercoach 448 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 ... great topic - some unbelievable statistics.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 9:17 AM, yonz_g said: Don't overlook [2014 125 lbs.] 1st: Jesse Delgado - 2x Champ, 3x all-american 2nd: Nahshon Garrett - 1x Champ, 4x all-american, 2x Finalist 3rd: Nico Megaludis - 1x Champ, 4x all-american, 3x Finalist 4th: Joey Dance - 2x all-american 5th: Cory Clark - 1x Champ, 4x all-american, 3x Finalist 6th: Dylan Peters - 2x all-american 7th: Darian Cruz - 1x Champ, 3x all-american 8th: Earl Hall - 2x all-american 6 NCAA Champions 24 All Americans 11 Finals Appearences Alan Waters? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruocified 22 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Bryan said: I would venture to guess that in 1982 the AA's at 118lb were naturally larger than the 125lb AA's in 2019. It was nothing for them to be 5'7 and 150+ in the offseason. Barry looks like a 141 pounder in this 118 pound final. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
