stp 564 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) What chances does Stoll have at placing? Has a #29 seed ever beaten a #4 before? Edited March 16, 2019 by stp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Banana Peterson 13 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 A #29 seed never existed before this year. 4 dtry222, PSUMike, NYWRESTLER94 and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regulator 20 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 I say around 35% I have him losing in the Round of 12 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stp 564 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Banana Peterson said: A #29 seed never existed before this year. When was the last time an unseeded wrestler beat a #4 seed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,419 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 Iowa really got lucky with how the brackets fell out. Stoll has a relatively easy path to AA, considering his terrible (for him) season leading to his terrible seed. First, he has Jordan Wood. Stoll is an underdog here, but not a huge one. A win puts Stoll against Elam or Voss, both of whom he was ranked ahead of for most of the season. A win there likely matches him up with Conan Jennings becuase Jennings always beat Parris (#5 seed, what should be the toughwst match so far). Stoll is 2-0 vs Jennings, both last season, he pinned him at Big10s and beat him 8-2 earlier in the season. That would put Stoll in the semis. On the backside, he might have to beat Parris which would be tough, but there is a path to AA. Parris being the 5 seed really helped Stoll with the draw. Summary: Stoll only has to win 1 upset to make the semis lost likely. Jordan wood, round 1. Even a loss there gives him a path to AA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 Beating a top seeded wrestler essentially makes you that seed. If Stoll beats Wood, for all intents and purposes he is essentially now the new 4 seed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stp 564 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) Opinions please on Tariq Wilson vs. Nick Suriano. Of course.....Tariq had to get by Lizak first. Yikes! A tough draw for Tariq...imo. Edited March 16, 2019 by stp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Banana Peterson said: A #29 seed never existed before this year. Why did the NCAA decide to match up pigtail matches with the #1 seed anyway? Was it supposed to be a reward for the top seeds' teams in scoring? Edited March 16, 2019 by pamela Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KCMO2 673 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, pamela said: Why did the NCAA decide to match up pigtail matches with the #1 seed anyway? Was it supposed to be a reward for the top seeds' teams in scoring? That's how the brackets work. In a full bracket the top seed always wrestles the lowest seed in the first round, the #2 wrestles the second lowest seed, etc. Edited March 16, 2019 by KCMO2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, KCMO2 said: That's how brackets work. In a full bracket, the top seed always wrestles the lowest seed in the first round Got it... for some reason I thought the pigtails used to be randomly placed with byes for the top seed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KCMO2 673 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 The way it used to be the top seed still had a first round match, but the pigtail was randomly drawn. But that was before they seeded 1-33. 1 pamela reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Idaho 1,325 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 StollHouse won’t place ...sorry Hawks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flanders 21 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 3 hours ago, stp said: When was the last time an unseeded wrestler beat a #4 seed? Last year Kyle Conel over Kollin Moore (1 seed). 1 KTG119 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcus Cisero 342 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 4 hours ago, stp said: When was the last time an unseeded wrestler beat a #4 seed? Penn State wrestler James English was not seeded during the 2014 NCAA wrestling championships, yet beat Kendric Maple #4 seed (also former 2013 champ) to take 7th during the consi's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 920 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Marcus Cisero said: Penn State wrestler James English was not seeded during the 2014 NCAA wrestling championships, yet beat Kendric Maple #4 seed (also former 2013 champ) to take 7th during the consi's. There have been numerous top-four seeds that have lost their opening bouts. Mack Lewnes went 0-2 as the #1 at 165 in 2009. Greg Jones lost his opener as the #1 at 174 in 2003, eventually losing in R3 of consolations. In English's situation, brackets were randomly drawn after the seeded wrestlers were bracketed. English was bracketed against the #12 in the opening round. Maple was a shell of his champion self as the #4 at 149 as a senior. Edited March 16, 2019 by lu_alum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcus Cisero 342 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, lu_alum said: There have been numerous top-four seeds that have lost their opening bouts. Mack Lewnes went 0-2 as the #1 at 165 in 2009. Greg Jones lost his opener as the #1 at 174 in 2003, eventually losing in R3 of consolations. In English's situation, brackets were randomly drawn after the seeded wrestlers were bracketed. English was bracketed against the #12 in the opening round. Maple was a shell of his champion self as the #4 at 149 as a senior. STP asked "When was the last time an unseeded wrestler beat a #4 seed? " ....so I answered his question. 1 stp reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 920 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Marcus Cisero said: STP asked "When was the last time an unseeded wrestler beat a #4 seed? " ....so I answered his question. And you answered incorrectly... Since English accomplished his feel-good story... In 2017, "Little Nicky" MFF as the #3 in the opening round at 125 In 2016, Ethan Ramos lost as the #4 in the opening round at 174 In 2015, John Eblen lost as the #4 seed in the opening round at 174 In 2015, Michael Moreno lost as the #2 seed in the opening round at 165 In 2015, Bobby Telford lost as the #3 seed in the opening round at 285 These are just opening round losses. There are numerous instances when top-four guys lose to the non-seeded wrestlers during the tourney - particularly in the consolations. In 2018, Kaid Brock lost as the #4 in the QF In 2018, Kollin Moore got pinned as the #1 in the QF In 2018, Kollin Moore got beat as the #1 in the 3/4 bout In 2017, Anthony Collica lost at the #2 in R2 of the consolations at 149 In 2017, John Epperly lost as the #4 in the R12 at 174 In 2015, Nahshon Garrett lost as the #2 in round 2 at 125 In 2015, Joey Dance lost as the #3 in the R12 at 125 In 2015, Johnni DiJulius lost as the #4 in cons R3 at 133 In 2015, Dylan Ness lost as the #3 in the cons SF at 149 And all this happened AFTER James English beat #4 Kendric Maple in the 2014 7/8 bout at 149. Edited March 17, 2019 by lu_alum 1 KTG119 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Novak 147 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 Stoll walks into a burger joint, orders a burger, pulls out his gun shoots the waiter and leaves. The waiter looks up and says what the hell is wrong with you? And Stoll says: "I read that I'm supposed to shoot and leave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcus Cisero 342 Report post Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dr. Novak said: Stoll walks into a burger joint, orders a burger, pulls out his gun shoots the waiter and leaves. The waiter looks up and says what the hell is wrong with you? And Stoll says: "I read that I'm supposed to shoot and leave. sorry Dr Novak, I know you're trying to create some humor (which is definitely needed in this particular forum) but in today's day and age, it might be better to choose a different scenario. Edited March 16, 2019 by Marcus Cisero Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonBryant 2,066 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 Problem is, he isn’t funny. 1 fadzaev2 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, JasonBryant said: Problem is, he isn’t funny. Volume shooter. Sometimes he gets a good one in. 1 JasonBryant reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KCMO2 673 Report post Posted March 17, 2019 52 minutes ago, JasonBryant said: Problem is, he isn’t funny. Yeah, that was just dumb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 545 Report post Posted March 18, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 4:02 PM, pamela said: Got it... for some reason I thought the pigtails used to be randomly placed with byes for the top seed. This is the first time they've seeded all 33 guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sublime607 139 Report post Posted March 19, 2019 I hate the fact that I can’t post pictures because of file size. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
