NJDan 589 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) Cael aside, does Yianni, with two titles and just one loss, have the best record ever after his sophomore year (true soph, by the way)? He has a better record than Dake or Pat Smith or Stieber. Better than Nolf or Bo or Hall or Metcalf or Taylor. Maybe Imar is the only one who can equal him. Or are there others? Edited March 29, 2019 by NJDan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThorsteinV 76 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 I assume Dan Gable would qualify, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 589 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, ThorsteinV said: I assume Dan Gable would qualify, right? Right, my bad. Other than Cael and Gable... Of course Gable cheated by having his first two years start from his sophomore year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 396 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, NJDan said: Cael aside, does Yianni, with two titles and just one loss, have the best record ever after his sophomore year (true soph, by the way)? He has a better record than Dake or Pat Smith or Stieber. Better than Nolf or Bo or Hall or Metcalf or Taylor. Maybe Imar is the only one who can equal him. Or are there others? I asked this in another thread. Imar was 67-1 with two titles compared to Yianni at 66-1 with two titles. 3 GranbyTroll, dtry222 and spladle08 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 589 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, klehner said: I asked this in another thread. Imar was 67-1 with two titles compared to Yianni at 66-1 with two titles. Who was Imar's loss to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OBXWrestler 92 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, NJDan said: Who was Imar's loss to? Nolf. Lost in the Dual and then beat Nolf at Big Tens and NCAAs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 819 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) Never mind this is stupid Edited March 29, 2019 by KTG119 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 Yojo, Hodge and a few others? 1 Ultimatepip reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 710 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, NJDan said: Who was Imar's loss to? Byers' recap... 157: Red-shirt freshman Jason Nolf (Yatesboro, Pa.), ranked No. 3 at 157, met No. 1 Isaiah Martinez, the defending NCAA Champion, who entered the dual meet undefeated as a collegian. Nolf looked to set the tempo early, keeping a fast tempo in the center of the mat. Martinez responded with quick shots on the edge of the mat with neither man breaking through for any offense early, despite the up temp pace. Nolf countered a Martinez shot and worked his way around for takedown and a 2-0 lead at the 1:39 mark. Martinez escaped to a 2-1 score with under a minute to go. Martinez got in on a high single and took Nolf down to take a 3-2 lead with 0:35 on the clock. After a reset with 0:20 on the clock, Nolf steadily worked his way to an escape and a 3-3 tie with :02 on the clock. Illinois challenged the escape call but it stood and the bout moved to the second period tied 3-3. Nolf chose down to start the second period and quickly escaped to a 4-3 lead, with Martinez getting a first stall warning. Nolf took a 4-3 lead on a second Martinez stall with 1:10 on the clock. Nolf gained control of Martinez's shoulders at the :30 mark and nearly worked his way around for a takedown but the Illini was able to force a stalemate. Nolf, continuing his furious offensive pace, took a low shot that Martinez tried to counter, forcing a scramble in the middle of the mat. With the momentum in Nolf's favor over the full second period, Nolf turned the scramble into a takedown and then a chance to pick up the pin. The Lion freshman deftly forced Martinez's shoulders flat and got the fall, a second period pin at the 4:56 mark. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boompa 171 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 Did Imar have a redshirt? If so, Yianni is in the running. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 710 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 Just now, Boompa said: Did Imar have a redshirt? If so, Yianni is in the running. Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMardigain 1,271 Report post Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ThorsteinV said: I assume Dan Gable would qualify, right? Which is better to have, not triceps or artificial hips? Edited March 30, 2019 by MadMardigain 1 ThorsteinV reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 319 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, NJDan said: Right, my bad. Other than Cael and Gable... Of course Gable cheated by having his first two years start from his sophomore year. Those were the rules back then, plus at the Midlands, which he won his freshman year and got OW, he beat Masaaki Hatta and Don Behm....Hatta and NCAA Champion, and Behm a silver medalist in both the Olympics and World Championships. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 589 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 42 minutes ago, fadzaev2 said: Those were the rules back then, plus at the Midlands, which he won his freshman year and got OW, he beat Masaaki Hatta and Don Behm....Hatta and NCAA Champion, and Behm a silver medalist in both the Olympics and World Championships. Don't get me wrong: Gable was pretty good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 731 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 There were a number of undefeated wrestlers in the days when freshman weren’t allowed to compete. One such wrestler was Uetake, who also won an Olympic gold medal right after his sophomore year (the first year he was eligible). 2 GockeS and Ultimatepip reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 589 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, Katie said: There were a number of undefeated wrestlers in the days when freshman weren’t allowed to compete. One such wrestler was Uetake, who also won an Olympic gold medal right after his sophomore year (the first year he was eligible). But is being undefeated in 15 matches, mostly duals, the same as 35-0, while wrestling in three tournaments, plus duals? 1 1 fadzaev2 and KCMO2 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsharp2384 11 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, NJDan said: But is being undefeated in 15 matches, mostly duals, the same as 35-0, while wrestling in three tournaments, plus duals? No. No it isnt. Cannot compare old timer wrestling to today. When I watch Gable vs Owings, I can't believe what I am watching. Yianni would major Gable at the very least. 1 1 Perry and BadgerMon reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichB 192 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 Really four eras: Pre war, no Frosh Post war Frosh (but few under ~20 next 20+ years No frosh last 50 years 1 fadzaev2 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skikayaker 91 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) The opening question is an insult to more wrestling greats than I can possibly name. In my opinion, he actually was lucky he had the ref he had against McKenna in the NCAA 2019 finals. That being said, I have a lot of respect for Yianni, and he's one of my favorite active NCAA wrestlers, but please, he hasn't earned the status. Frankly, I think his competition has yet to avail itself. It takes more than two years of college wrestling to assess the opening statement of "best ever". Edited March 30, 2019 by skikayaker 4 cjc007, headache, fadzaev2 and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 396 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 8 hours ago, skikayaker said: The opening question is an insult to more wrestling greats than I can possibly name. In my opinion, he actually was lucky he had the ref he had against McKenna in the NCAA 2019 finals. That being said, I have a lot of respect for Yianni, and he's one of my favorite active NCAA wrestlers, but please, he hasn't earned the status. Frankly, I think his competition has yet to avail itself. It takes more than two years of college wrestling to assess the opening statement of "best ever". I think it was a character on "Game of Thrones" who said "everything before the 'but' is bull****." And perhaps you should read the OP before responding. Let me help you here: "does Yianni, with two titles and just one loss, have the best record ever after his sophomore year". How, exactly, does that insult anyone, much less the "wrestling greats?" 1 Gantry reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headache 125 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 10 hours ago, bsharp2384 said: No. No it isnt. Cannot compare old timer wrestling to today. When I watch Gable vs Owings, I can't believe what I am watching. Yianni would major Gable at the very least. If you want to compare wrestlers from different eras, like Gable and Yianni, either time machine Yianni back to the 1960s or move Gable to the present. Otherwise it's just bogus yapping. It's really quite impossible for Gable to be wrestling today with techniques from the 1960s and vice versa for Yianni. Also, most of the great wrestlers, including Gable and John Smith, were great competitors first, wrestlers second. People aren't born great wrestlers, they get there through extraordinary work and desire. 1 GockeS reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iwrite 106 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 Great point, headache, about being great competitors first and the work ethic. I have been to 47 NCAA tournaments and feel I have some perspective. I I have been on the mat with Gable and it was an incredible experience. Talk to anyone from those days and you will understand that Gable brought something intangible to the mat with him. As pointed out, he won the Midlands as an 18-year-old freshman over some top competition. He never redshirted. His first year of college eligibility, he beat Dave McGuire, the defending NCAA champion, in both the Big 8 and NCAA, handily. (McGuire won the NCAA the next year to finish as a two-timer and one time runner-up). His senior year, Gable moved up a weight to take on the defending NCAA champion, Mike Grant of Oklahoma, in his home arena and beat him 9-4. Gable brought an intensity and commitment that has seldom, if ever, been matched. Ask the Petersons or the Banachs or Chuck Yalga what it was like to wrestle him. He had one loss in 181 matches over 7 years, 13-11. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 876 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 10 hours ago, skikayaker said: The opening question is an insult to more wrestling greats than I can possibly name. In my opinion, he actually was lucky he had the ref he had against McKenna in the NCAA 2019 finals. That being said, I have a lot of respect for Yianni, and he's one of my favorite active NCAA wrestlers, but please, he hasn't earned the status. Frankly, I think his competition has yet to avail itself. It takes more than two years of college wrestling to assess the opening statement of "best ever". In his first 2 years, Yianni has beaten: Meredith 2x (2-4-2) Heil (4-1-1) McKenna 2X (3-3-2) (and I think Yianni won the finals fair and square - I’m of the opinion that it was a makeup call when he should’ve gotten 2 earlier) Eierman 3x (5-4-3-TBD) Lee (5-5-TBD-TBD) that’s a pretty good list IMO. Obviously a lot can happen over his next 2 seasons, but now that he’s halfway to 4, I think you can probably start putting him in the conversation assuming he does actually get 4 titles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skikayaker 91 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) I misinterpreted the meaning of second best ever as for all time, when the OP is suggesting second best ever after two years. There is a big difference. I still feel as though McKenna got a bad call, but that is another can of worms I'd rather not debate. Edited March 30, 2019 by skikayaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,655 Report post Posted March 30, 2019 I am sympathetic to the McKenna match officiating, but at least we have a straight up td by Yianni in SV to settle on. One can try to argue that Mckenna shouldn't have had to wrestle in SV, but he could have just taken it to Yianni there. 1 skikayaker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites