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We need add one more match on the backside of nationals. Making the Semis topside should not exclude a wrestler from finishing 7th or 8th.  The 2 Losers of the consi semi wrestle the losers from the consi of 4: ...winners 5/6 losers 7/8.

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They throw in true 2nd or 3rds when it's a qualifier for something bigger.  NCAA's are it though.  That's like having a true runner up in the BCS (or whatever they call it now) or March Madness.

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26 minutes ago, KCMO2 said:

They throw in true 2nd or 3rds when it's a qualifier for something bigger.  NCAA's are it though.  That's like having a true runner up in the BCS (or whatever they call it now) or March Madness.

....tongueINcheek.....

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2 hours ago, Billyhoyle said:

So what if you win the consi round of 4 and then lose the consi semi?  You then have to wrestle the other loser of the consi round of 4 to determine whether you wrestle in the 5/6 or 7/8 match?  That's pretty ridiculous.  

We could, in the same vein, have the Champ Semi losers wrestle automatically for 3/4, right?

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After places 1-4 you’re left with 4 guys all having 2 losses. They should be further separated. One more match for each and it takes care of everything

 1/2 -0 losses

3/4 -1 loss

5/6 -2 losses

7/8 -3 losses

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51 minutes ago, spladle said:

There have been tournaments where only the semi finalists get to go for 3rd/4th.  Not the NCAA's of course but still.

True and they’re awful.

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3 hours ago, D3UC157 said:

True and they’re awful.

That is also due to bout limits in 1 day tournaments. Normal wrestlebacks are set up perfectly.  A loss in the semis gets you to top 6, while a loss in the quarters gets you to R12. 

Hell, there isn’t even a way to do what you are asking for, 4 guys advance from the R12.  So you would have to round robin 6 guys to get them past the 7/8 match?  

Sorry, but this is definitely a case to leave well enough alone....

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4 advance from R12... 2 win to go to consi semi, 2 drop down. The two consi-4 losers would each meet a loser of the consi semi.

Essentially instead of consi semi losers going direct to 5/6 they each hit a Consi-4 loser. Winners wrestle for 5th, losers for 7th. It works.

This way anyone alive after blood round on the back side can finish anywhere 3-8

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1 hour ago, D3UC157 said:

4 advance from R12... 2 win to go to consi semi, 2 drop down. The two consi-4 losers would each meet a loser of the consi semi.

Essentially instead of consi semi losers going direct to 5/6 they each hit a Consi-4 loser. Winners wrestle for 5th, losers for 7th. It works.

This way anyone alive after blood round on the back side can finish anywhere 3-8

The point of a double elimination bracket is to stop advancement after the 2nd loss. You can take a 3rd loss in your placement match, but that is the only way. In your scenario you are not only allowing advancement after 2 losses, but are guaranteeing someone takes 4 losses. 

Oh, and the 4 alive after the blood round CAN still take 3-8. Making it to the semis warrants 6th or better. 

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2 hours ago, Dr. Novak said:

Should do away with the 7/8 place.  Finishing 8th and being called All American is just not right.  

Well no one likes my solution so I accept this one, comes up with the same outcome.

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