JC 17 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 For the left-handed wrestler, are there any nuances, oddities, or “disadvantages” at all? Before you answer, think about this: In baseball, the shortstop position is crafted solely for a right-handed player. I KNOW it’s an entirely different sport. So what I’m asking is, does wrestling have anything about it that gives any kind of advantage in any way to the right-handed wrestler? Perhaps certain moves, etc. Any lefties out there ever find a particular challenge by being lefty? Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Brent Metcalf (I think it was) used to say that being left-handed caused problems for his opponents because of his stance and the way he ties up or takes shots. Are you Jimmy Cinnabuns? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,069 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 I hear people talk about the left-handed headlock more than anything else other than in general people do one thing to one side and something else to the other. Such as high crotch to the right side and outside single to the left (vaguely similar arm motions, I guess) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JBluegill133 289 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 I think it might be more of an advantage in some situations. Not sure if they are left handed at all or not but both metcalf and nato had a very successful left handed hi-c and I’ve seen a few of the penn state guys hit a left side headlock and be really successful. I think most people are used to defending something a certain way and when you hit it to their less dominant side it causes a little hesitation which at the d1 level, could be just the little bit you need to get the takedown.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Witherman 384 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Tommy Rowlands was determined that there was an advantage to a lefty lead leg. Not necessarily determined on left or right-handed but more focused on lead leg. Said some of the best wrestlers in the world were lefty lead. I guess I might relate it to being southpaw in boxing. There are advantages in certain aspects and I’m sure there are drawbacks as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrStrange 89 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 I am determined there is an advantage to smoking left handed cigarettes. 1 cornercoach reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 1,157 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 The only real disadvantages for lefties are probably in the developmental stage. Most of the technique they're learning is likely shown by a traditional righty, (i.e. right foot lead, high-C to the left, head inside single to the right), so there is a little bit of a gap there in terms of visualization/recreation. That's not something that lefties would typically be unfamiliar with, though, so I don't think it's a huge deal. As far as advantages, there are definitely some advantages for lefties, even more so at younger ages where kids don't have as much experience in those positions. I think the gap is much smaller at the higher levels--pretty much every solid NCAA wrestler has a good whizzer on both legs, good in the crackdown position on either side, etc.--but any small advantage you can get is meaningful. Metcalf and Tomasello are great examples of guys that made a killing from a fairly straightforward elbow-post, lefty high-c. Seems that those two had a much higher finishing percentage than most as well. It makes sense... if 90% of my experience defending a high crotch is on my right leg, and you're shooting on my left, I'm not going to be as comfortable there. 1 DrStrange reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrStrange 89 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 I have a feeling that steamboat charlie uses his left hand... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hotkarl712 109 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 3 hours ago, gimpeltf said: I hear people talk about the left-handed headlock more than anything else other than in general people do one thing to one side and something else to the other. Such as high crotch to the right side and outside single to the left (vaguely similar arm motions, I guess) As a lefty I can say that the headlock was my best move and maybe that's the reason why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regulator 20 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) So I’m in a good position to answer this. I wrestled right leg lead up until my sophomore year of HS then I switched to left leg lead for the remainder of HS and college. The main difference for offense is the ease to getting to a single leg. A lot of the time you don’t need a set up and can just be more based on timing.( ala Logan Stieber) It’s obviously harder to get to your high crotch and I found unless I hit it off an elbow pass or underhook I couldn’t get to it. Although I did get quite good at getting to it off the underhook and guys aren’t used to fighting off a high crotch to their left leg. Made finishing a lot easier. The big big difference on defense is you have to be very disciplined with closing the gap and not reaching. If you reach to close the gap you’re getting single legged by a good wrestler. Hand fighting can be a big advantage as most people don’t handfight well with their left hand. If you can win the handfight with your left on their right most guys are lost. So being dominate with the left gives you a chance to win that side. Edited April 2, 2019 by Regulator 2 Gantry and steamboat_charlie v2 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,872 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Nice breakdown, thanks for sharing. What made you switch your lead leg in high school? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fletcher 1,100 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Any sport where you face your opponent (wrestling, boxing, tennis), lefties have an advantage. Lefties go against righties 90% of the time, so they're used to facing you, but you only come across a lefty 10% of the time, so you're not used to them. Agreed with the above poster that this advantage gets minimized at higher levels. I always watch to see which side people cover on in the referee's position and it's almost 50/50 at the NCAA tourney and I'm pretty sure 50% of those guys are not lefty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Morgan 54 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Great question actually and I assume you mean left leg lead. However, the left leg lead position doesn't necessarily mean the guy is left handed...it is just the way they feel more comfortable wrestling. In boxing for instance, the right handed fighters lead with the left leg and vice versa. Regulator has it correct as the left leg lead will usually shoot singles to the opponents right leg. If more wrestlers lead with the right leg, they have an advantage of seeing this look more often than the right leg lead does in seeing the left leg lead stance. Flip side though, it makes it more difficult to hit the hi-c. So if a left leg lead's favorite shot is the hi-c he will have to have a good set up to get the back leg forward. Lastly, the double leg probably won't matter as much as either way, you step with your lead leg directly between the stance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regulator 20 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 40 minutes ago, Gantry said: Nice breakdown, thanks for sharing. What made you switch your lead leg in high school? Not really sure exactly why I first started trying it. But I think my original thought was I’m not as athletic as most people but I’m pretty smart so I thought I could learn all shots to both sides. The deciding moment came when I wrestled one of our states best wrestlers( 1 of only a few 4xers in our state). The first period I wrestled right leg lead and he got in deep a few times and I wasn’t close to scoring. So I switched in the 2nd and 3rd and did quite a bit better. So I was leaning towards leading left leg. Later that year I wrestled him in the freestyle state finals and scored the first couple tds and got the better of him on our feet although he scored late and got a couple guts to win the match. That sealed it. Ultimatey I think my offense and pace were better than my defense. So being able to get to my single more often kept guys on their toes. It also forced me to be better at handfighting and use both hands. In college I had to learn to have a good shin whizzer defense because guys could get to my front ankle somewhat easy. I think guys that lead left leg in college have to have great head level defense and down blocks to keep guys off their front leg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D3UC157 163 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 On top, which side do most people line up? I feel like left is standard? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 545 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, D3UC157 said: On top, which side do most people line up? I feel like left is standard? Yes, but it's right arm around the waist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 545 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 One of the all-time greats was left handed...you might recognize the name Arsen Fadzaev. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D3UC157 163 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 Lefty myself. At the time I didn’t notice or think about any advantages/disadvantages but looking back... I would imagine neutral ties were challenging for opponents. I worked primarily out of a Russian tie in college. That was probably uncomfortable/foreign to have their dominant arm tied and have to defend with their off arm. Shooting I was right leg dominant so I did most of that like a righty. Plus, everything neutral is taught right handed so that’s how I did it as well. High crotch and single with right arm attack so that may have been disadvantage me. Lining up on top seems like a major advantage for lefties since most people line up on the left. All the near attacks and break downs are done with the left hand. Chop, spiral ride, near wrist control, half, cross face cradle, near side cradle, claw. As a lefty on bottom my dominant arm was probably better able to defend since it was closest to the opponent. Seems like cross wrist type moves would be the advantage for a righty. Which for me was definitely true. Having my left arm tied up was difficult to deal with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Hotkarl712 said: As a lefty I can say that the headlock was my best move and maybe that's the reason why A friend of mine has a left handed son who was pretty good at the local high school level. Was a league and district champion. His only real move was a left handed headlock. As a senior he won 29 matches, 24 of which were by pin from left handed headlock. Several of which were against better wrestlers who were beating him. His biggest comeback win was when he hit the left handed headlock in a match where he was losing by 10 points with about 45 seconds left in the match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcjcjc 122 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 7 hours ago, JBluegill133 said: I think it might be more of an advantage in some situations. Not sure if they are left handed at all or not but both metcalf and nato had a very successful left handed hi-c and I’ve seen a few of the penn state guys hit a left side headlock and be really successful. I think most people are used to defending something a certain way and when you hit it to their less dominant side it causes a little hesitation which at the d1 level, could be just the little bit you need to get the takedown. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk To me, if your best shot is a hi-c, you tend to get figured out and not reach your potential. i may be wrong, but I’m coaching that way for the foreseeable future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Idaho 1,344 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 You have to learn how to wrestle both left and right handed. If you only hit your shots from being left or right a good defensive wrestler will figure you out very quickly and shut down your offense. J Robinson was very good at teaching this at his camps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,479 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) I am right side dominant but wrestled with a left leg lead. The reason is that I got more power from pushing off of my right leg than my left one, meaning my shots were faster this way. I have never and still don't understand why right handed wrestlers wrestle with their right leg forward. The only trickiness to a left leg lead is that a single leg takedown is going to be the main attack against right leg leads, which is most people. Singles can be.a bit trickier to finish than a Hi-C or double leg, My advice to a left handed wrestler would be to wrestle with a right leg lead...At least if his left leg is also stronger than his right. Also, say left leg lead five times fast. Then, try to type it out five times fast. I can't. Edited April 3, 2019 by Billyhoyle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rpbobcat 56 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 I always found being a lefty was an advantage,especially on top. Sometimes,after a take down,if we went out of bounds,I'd go rigthty. Then next period,lefty. 1 JBluegill133 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JBluegill133 289 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 10 hours ago, jcjcjc said: To me, if your best shot is a hi-c, you tend to get figured out and not reach your potential. i may be wrong, but I’m coaching that way for the foreseeable future. I dont understand? Maybe you mean if your "only" shot is a hi-c Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 411 Report post Posted April 3, 2019 Cassar is a lefty, btw Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites