GockeS 403 Report post Posted April 5, 2019 true: pyles won't do it b/c he wants to keep access. i dont blame him. also true: the coaches shouldn't gripe if they aren't going to do anything about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boompa 171 Report post Posted April 5, 2019 I know of soft recruiting from all the bigger programs like their star wrestlers tweeting, instagramming, or texting HS seniors. It's a violation but it is done. Meanwhile the schools with stringent compliance departments do not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FriendlyCamper 43 Report post Posted April 5, 2019 They won’t break the story. But if a story ever did break about the “B1G recruiting violations,” I’m sure they’d make a profit by offering the “real” story if you have a premium account. 2 russelscout and danoftw reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobDole 967 Report post Posted April 5, 2019 George Mason shouldn't be talking about recruiting violations when one of their current coaches was trying to poach a kid at his last gig. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 1,071 Report post Posted April 5, 2019 4 hours ago, simple said: Dumbest thing ever said on this board. Wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 1,071 Report post Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, simple said: https://www.win-magazine.com/flos-christian-pyles-and-willie-saylor-named-wins-journalists-of-the-year/ Did Pyles and/or Saylor decline this award since they’re not journalists? That just shows how weak our journalists pool is. Vloggers won it. Edited April 6, 2019 by nhs67 I have fat fingers and need to spellcheck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LHU125 98 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 Start looking at RTC's and how they're used in "recruiting." All the posts on this thread talk about a wide spread problem, and those involved in programs surely know the issues as well. NCAA and USAW both need to hold their separate institutions accountable when it comes to our sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russelscout 1,573 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, LHU125 said: Start looking at RTC's and how they're used in "recruiting." All the posts on this thread talk about a wide spread problem, and those involved in programs surely know the issues as well. NCAA and USAW both need to hold their separate institutions accountable when it comes to our sport. Ok, so who do you think is stepping over the line and why do you think that? Unless there are actual names and reasons for that belief, this is nothing new Edited April 6, 2019 by russelscout Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigD236 7 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 A question I have, if you grey shirt can the RTC pay for your living expenses? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, BigD236 said: A question I have, if you grey shirt can the RTC pay for your living expenses? Good question. My gut reaction is that it would be a hard NO because payment or compensation should void an athlete's amateurism, but the RTC model is really hazy to me and I don't really understand how it works in conjunction with college programs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigD236 7 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 I would be shocked that some of these elite wrestlers that grey shirt aren’t getting something from the RTC. Why would parents pay for rent/living expenses? But I may be wrong. 1 dtry222 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 643 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 7 hours ago, SetonHallPirate said: Good luck with Mason trying to get a promotion if he does do anything about it, and opposing coaches could make his current position untenable. (by, say, refusing to schedule duals with his current institution, for one example) It's called being principled. Does he truly value what he's preaching about? Or does he value money and opportunity more? If he truly that this issue was worth it, he'd name names. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigD236 7 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 A lot of these coaches are scoundrels, they want to win at any cost. They will cross lines even if it is not what is acceptable. Even the ones who play the religious card. They get paid to win. If that means poaching kids from lesser programs or not telling the truth to recruits, well that is how it goes. Don’t ever think it is about the student athlete. 2 dtry222 and cjc007 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 886 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, wrestlingphish said: It's called being principled. Does he truly value what he's preaching about? Or does he value money and opportunity more? If he truly that this issue was worth it, he'd name names. I agree he should name names (or at least file a complaint even if not made public). But yeah, if he believes what he’s saying then he’s not going to want to work at schools that do what he’s talking about. Seems he was at least partially referring to Ryan Vulakh, so if a list of his top schools comes out, then you’d have to think Beckman is referring to at least one of those schools Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigD236 7 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, 1032004 said: I agree he should name names (or at least file a complaint even if not made public). But yeah, if he believes what he’s saying then he’s not going to want to work at schools that do what he’s talking about. Seems he was at least partially referring to Ryan Vulakh, so if a list of his top schools comes out, then you’d have to think Beckman is referring to at least one of those schools Agree. If I were Beckman I would’ve been pissed too. Edited April 6, 2019 by BigD236 1 dtry222 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExBSUfan 51 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, DrStrange said: you must be under 25 years of age, or you'd know your history about programs being dropped. Boise State had their first national champion then dropped Davis had their first national champion and dropped Oregon had their first national champion and then dropped Fresno State was top 15 and then dropped These are all in the past decade. You are wrong and indignant - a dangerous combination. Boise state had 2 national champions, and then their program was dropped. Know your history. Edited April 6, 2019 by ExBSUfan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrStrange 88 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 42 minutes ago, ExBSUfan said: Boise state had 2 national champions, and then their program was dropped. Know your history. Yea, I choose not to acknowledge Kirk White's championship because he is a douche bag. 1 SetonHallPirate reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon_Kozak 228 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 12 hours ago, BigD236 said: A question I have, if you grey shirt can the RTC pay for your living expenses? https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Team-USA/Olympic-Training-Facilities/OTC-in-Colorado-Springs Here’s a link explaining some of the resident athlete requirements that allow an athlete to grey shirt and have there expenses paid for by USA Wrestling. Who have been the guys that have grey shirted and spent time at the RTC of their school? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SetonHallPirate 835 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 22 hours ago, DrStrange said: Wrong. Programs get dropped because they are a distraction to the athletic department, cost too much money, etc. Almost NO programs were dropped because they weren't competitive. Coaches should be fired if they aren't delivering results. Period. Tell me one good thing that comes from snitching? You want to kill wrestling. I get it. I seriously hope mods lock this thread before my considerable restraint expires and I get myself banned... 1 LHU125 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boompa 171 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 20 hours ago, LHU125 said: Start looking at RTC's and how they're used in "recruiting." All the posts on this thread talk about a wide spread problem, and those involved in programs surely know the issues as well. NCAA and USAW both need to hold their separate institutions accountable when it comes to our sport. Which is how you get to meet younger HS wrestlers earlier. The recruiting process begins so much earlier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boompa 171 Report post Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jon_Kozak said: https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Team-USA/Olympic-Training-Facilities/OTC-in-Colorado-Springs Here’s a link explaining some of the resident athlete requirements that allow an athlete to grey shirt and have there expenses paid for by USA Wrestling. Who have been the guys that have grey shirted and spent time at the RTC of their school? Beard is doing it at PSU right now. The way it works with a greyshirt is when they arrive in town in the summer/fall, they can train with the NCAA team "X" amount of times a week under the guise that it is a "club RTC" practice. Then sometime in November, a greyshirt has to stop training with the team/enrolled wrestlers and then can only train with other RTC greyshirts or resident athletes. As soon as the NCAA season ends, practices start back up under the "club/RTC". It also isn't uncommon that if the coaching staff is fundraising for an athlete like PSU is for Taylor at over 100k a year, it is usually required that they work with their deferred enrollment or greyshirted wrestlers. I can guarantee Taylor was doing 1-2 one on ones a week with Beard during the season. Not a bad deal. Edited April 6, 2019 by Boompa 1 Jon_Kozak reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iGranby 175 Report post Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/5/2019 at 2:13 PM, simple said: Unfortunately this is all correct. That doesn’t make it okay. Also, unfortunately for Mason, he probably already killed off a bunch of potential jobs with his tweet. I dont believe he cares, or wants to be hired by those programs anyway. With that being said, if he has that kind of mindset why not report or name names? Idk. Tough spot for him, other coaches, journalists, Flo (If you dont throw them in as journalists I guess). 1 1 jon and GockeS reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 403 Report post Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/5/2019 at 4:07 PM, DrStrange said: you must be under 25 years of age, or you'd know your history about programs being dropped. Boise State had their first national champion then dropped Davis had their first national champion and dropped Oregon had their first national champion and then dropped Fresno State was top 15 and then dropped These are all in the past decade. You are wrong and indignant - a dangerous combination. so wait, in another post you said coaches were fired b/c they weren't producing... then you posted this ^^^ btw, if they should produce period... or be fired... you must be a huge college bball fan. so many coaches with show cause penalties and still coaching. bruce pearl is one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigD236 7 Report post Posted April 7, 2019 8 hours ago, Boompa said: Beard is doing it at PSU right now. The way it works with a greyshirt is when they arrive in town in the summer/fall, they can train with the NCAA team "X" amount of times a week under the guise that it is a "club RTC" practice. Then sometime in November, a greyshirt has to stop training with the team/enrolled wrestlers and then can only train with other RTC greyshirts or resident athletes. As soon as the NCAA season ends, practices start back up under the "club/RTC". It also isn't uncommon that if the coaching staff is fundraising for an athlete like PSU is for Taylor at over 100k a year, it is usually required that they work with their deferred enrollment or greyshirted wrestlers. I can guarantee Taylor was doing 1-2 one on ones a week with Beard during the season. Not a bad deal. Who is paying for these grey shirt’s living expenses. Is that on the parents? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boompa 171 Report post Posted April 7, 2019 6 hours ago, BigD236 said: Who is paying for these grey shirt’s living expenses. Is that on the parents? You would have to think it is on the parents. Maybe they got the old man a job similar to how OSU did with Fix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites