steamboat_charlie v2 1,173 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, cjc007 said: Kyle Snyder while in college won 3 ncaas titles, 2 World Titles, and an Olympic Gold medal. That's transcendent. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDogg 273 Report post Posted April 25, 2019 On 4/23/2019 at 9:43 AM, nhs67 said: Yeah... if the over/under on Brooks, Beard, and Nevills came out as 8.5 total NCAA titles, I might just take the over. That is right now. I imagine if all three are able to 'redshirt' next season, that the over/under might be even higher. It is frightening that PSU's next 'duo' may actually be a 'trio' and they may be just as dominant as far as bonus point potential goes. Over 8.5 titles is LOL funny. HWT and 197 are absolutely stacked for the next few years. So you’re betting those 3 have the same success as Retherford, Nolf and Nickal? Just look at the weight classes for the top seniors in last year and this year’s class...unusually tilted to the heavier weights. O/U should be 5 or maybe 5.5. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,098 Report post Posted April 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, MDogg said: Over 8.5 titles is LOL funny. HWT and 197 are absolutely stacked for the next few years. So you’re betting those 3 have the same success as Retherford, Nolf and Nickal? Just look at the weight classes for the top seniors in last year and this year’s class...unusually tilted to the heavier weights. O/U should be 5 or maybe 5.5. Did you not read any further than that post? I conceded 6.5 was more realistic and took the over, specifically if they all 'redshirt' next season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim L 328 Report post Posted April 25, 2019 22 hours ago, wrestlingnerd said: Any definition of transcendent, which just means extraordinary, that excludes Dake is highly suspect at best. It is more transcendent to give up a literal handful of TDs a year in D1 than to bonus at a very high rate, which happens almost every single year. By now, Dake has proven he has high octane offense to match or exceed any of the guys on that list when he pours it on. How many guys in the history of the sport have been able to keep the other guy from scoring any offensive points or held even elite level wrestlers glued to the mat for as long? It’s an exceptionally short list. from Merriam-Webster Definition of transcendent 1a : exceeding usual limits : surpassing b : extending or lying beyond the limits of ordinary experience c in Kantian philosophy : being beyond the limits of all possible experience and knowledge 2 : being beyond comprehension Dake meets definition #1 but so do most D1 champs. I my connotation of transcedent is more of #2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hwkfan4life 3 Report post Posted April 25, 2019 On 4/23/2019 at 1:14 PM, nhs67 said: Nevills is much better at this point than either of his brothers were. If he redshirts, it gives him four more good years. I see no reason he cannot win that gauntlet one or two times. I don't see who right now has better prospects than Brooks and Beard at 184/197 respectively from 2021-2024. His best win was hemida, when hemida was in slump losing to most hwts. Hes not going to beat steveson, kerk, cass, schultz, parris, hilger, etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,011 Report post Posted April 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Jim L said: 2 : being beyond comprehension Dake meets definition #1 but so do most D1 champs. I my connotation of transcedent is more of #2. Eye of the beholder, I guess. It’s incomprehensible to me that he gave up so few offensive points against the competition he faced. I’ve always found impenetrable defense to be more impressive, maybe because I wasn’t so good at it myself. When I first learned about Dan Gable, the stat that stuck to my head the most was that he didn’t give up any points at the Olympics. That’s pretty transcendent to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boompa 205 Report post Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) If they redshirt RBY and Lee, olympic redshirt Joseph and Hall and of course redshirt their deferred enrolled greyshirts (eye roll) because they got 6 year exemptions for undergrads (and a transfer), then I think PSU has several transcendent guys in the future. Hard to beat 25 year olds with the normal 22-23 year olds. Edited April 25, 2019 by Boompa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
