New York to get rid of 99lb weight class

[Ragu 50]

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I have tried finding articles to support but according to a coach in the state, they did a vote to get rid of it and a majority decided they wanted to get rid of it. I agree with it as it motivates kids to go up in weight and we are the only state that still has the weight class. It's time to go

[KTG119 816]

if true, will this cut down on the number of future 5x state champs from NY?

(I'm assuming that most previous 5 timers won first title at lowest weight class in 8th grade) 

 

[Ragu 50]

Yes, Jacori Teemer won it his 8th grade year over Busiello(7th grader). Then Busiello won it his 8th grade year at 99 over Benny Baker. Greg D won it his 8th grade year over Dylan Ryder and will be going for 5 this upcoming year. Yianni beat Vito his 8th grade year in an absolute amazing match. Yianni would've ended up winning 5 if it weren't for his senior year injuries. And the very first 5 timer, Troy Nickerson, won his first title at an even lower weight at 96. So Teemer was a 5 timer, Busiello was a 6 time finalist and 5 time winner, Greg D is 4-4 right now with one more left, Yianni was 4-4 when he did attempt, and Nickerson was 5 timer. So 5x timer status was already rare and will become even more difficult and I don't know when we'll see it again.

[Panther78 31]

1 hour ago, Ragu said:

Yes, Jacori Teemer won it his 8th grade year over Busiello(7th grader). Then Busiello won it his 8th grade year at 99 over Benny Baker. Greg D won it his 8th grade year over Dylan Ryder and will be going for 5 this upcoming year. Yianni beat Vito his 8th grade year in an absolute amazing match. Yianni would've ended up winning 5 if it weren't for his senior year injuries. And the very first 5 timer, Troy Nickerson, won his first title at an even lower weight at 96. So Teemer was a 5 timer, Busiello was a 6 time finalist and 5 time winner, Greg D is 4-4 right now with one more left, Yianni was 4-4 when he did attempt, and Nickerson was 5 timer. So 5x timer status was already rare and will become even more difficult and I don't know when we'll see it again.

Where is Busiello now?

[Hofman19 23]

3 hours ago, Panther78 said:

Where is Busiello now?

Won his 5th in February...Heading to Arizona State in the fall.

[Panther78 31]

2 minutes ago, Hofman19 said:

Won his 5th in February...Heading to Arizona State in the fall.

Congrats to him!!! Looking forward to see him in AZ!!!

[Panther78 31]

3 minutes ago, Hofman19 said:

Won his 5th in February...Heading to Arizona State in the fall.

Does he have an older brother that would have graduated HS in 16?

[Hofman19 23]

4 hours ago, Ragu said:

Yes, Jacori Teemer won it his 8th grade year over Busiello(7th grader). Then Busiello won it his 8th grade year at 99 over Benny Baker. Greg D won it his 8th grade year over Dylan Ryder and will be going for 5 this upcoming year. Yianni beat Vito his 8th grade year in an absolute amazing match. Yianni would've ended up winning 5 if it weren't for his senior year injuries. And the very first 5 timer, Troy Nickerson, won his first title at an even lower weight at 96. So Teemer was a 5 timer, Busiello was a 6 time finalist and 5 time winner, Greg D is 4-4 right now with one more left, Yianni was 4-4 when he did attempt, and Nickerson was 5 timer. So 5x timer status was already rare and will become even more difficult and I don't know when we'll see it again.

Not to put pressure on the kid, but one current candidate might be Zack Ryder..
Finished as the state runner-up to Stevo Poulin at 106 as a 7th grader...Therefore, if he and Poulin are not in the same bracket next season, the potential could be there for him to win his 1st at a weight higher than 99.  

 

[Hofman19 23]

2 minutes ago, Panther78 said:

Does he have an older brother that would have graduated HS in 16?

Yes...John Jr. graduated in 2016 after being a 2x NYS place-winner.

I thought he stayed local to compete, but now I cannot find him on any LI college roster.

[Hofman19 23]

Of the 13 NYSPHSAA wrestlers to win four or more titles, the following did so without one of their titles coming at 96/99:

Vito Arujau: Won 1st title at 113...Placed 2nd at 99 as an 8th grader

Alex Ekstrom: Won 1st title at 112...

Frankie Gissendanner: Won 1st title at 138

Jesse Jantzen: Won 1st title at 119...Placed 3rd at 91 as a 7th grader

Quinton Murphy: Won 1st title at 103...Placed 6th as a 7th grader at 96

Nick Piccininni: Won 1st title at 106...Placed 3rd at 99 as an 8th grader

 

Note: As mentioned above, no 5x has yet to do it without winning once at 96/99.

Edited May 1, 2019 by Hofman19

[Ragu 50]

Zack Ryder is definitely a candidate to do just that. Going to be a stud although unless he's at 113 I don't see him doing that. I don't think Stevo is going up from 106 this year although I could be wrong and idk who else is a candidate at 113. I hope he can but also wouldn't mind seeing him challenge Stevo again either

[Dartsingle 6]

On 5/1/2019 at 9:45 PM, Ragu said:

Zack Ryder is definitely a candidate to do just that. Going to be a stud although unless he's at 113 I don't see him doing that. I don't think Stevo is going up from 106 this year although I could be wrong and idk who else is a candidate at 113. I hope he can but also wouldn't mind seeing him challenge Stevo again either

Ryder is definitely a great up and comer.  I don't think he will see anywhere near 106 again...word is he is weighing well into the 130's right now.  

[Ragu 50]

14 minutes ago, Dartsingle said:

Ryder is definitely a great up and comer.  I don't think he will see anywhere near 106 again...word is he is weighing well into the 130's right now.  

Perhaps a title bout vs Greg D at 126?

[KTG119 816]

isn't Zack Ryder the name of a WWE guy?

[JasonBryant 1,569]

I'm indifferent, but since I grew up with the construct that high school sports were for kids in grades 9-12. The Minnesota/New York concept of 7th graders wrestling varsity is foreign to me. I guess in its most basic level, it's a high school state tournament. Why are we having a battle over what's generally a middle school weight? Playing devil's advocate for the sake of discussion. 

[LJB 1,113]

to be fair, some of those 7th graders are the same age as some of those 9th graders... its embarrassing to me how many freshmen wrestlers drive to practice...

[lurshy92 27]

34 minutes ago, LJB said:

to be fair, some of those 7th graders are the same age as some of those 9th graders... its embarrassing to me how many freshmen wrestlers drive to practice...

 

1 hour ago, JasonBryant said:

I'm indifferent, but since I grew up with the construct that high school sports were for kids in grades 9-12. The Minnesota/New York concept of 7th graders wrestling varsity is foreign to me. I guess in its most basic level, it's a high school state tournament. Why are we having a battle over what's generally a middle school weight? Playing devil's advocate for the sake of discussion. 

Few points two the above;

How old were Mark Hall and Logan Steiber when they graduated high school?

Dake won his freshmen NCAA title when he was still 18, which is the age of most students in NY when they graduate, so don't bring into the discussion about what ages/ grade levels kids are supposed to compete varsity level (I turned 18 in April of my SR yr of HS). If anything its more impressive when underclassmen in NY win compared to other states, let alone if they are in middle school or not.

In addition, NY middle school sport competition is GARBAGE compared to other states. Having the 99 pound weight class allows the more advanced kids to be surrounded by varsity athletes, learning and getting better.

 

[LJB 1,113]

all middle school wrestling is garbage... the vast majority of high school wrestling is garbage until you get to the very pointy end...

there is so much national level youth duals on the east coast throughout the year, that any real talent can find competition outside of a high school bracket... real competition and not just one or two other guys at that level at the state tourney...

 

 

[JasonBryant 1,569]

1 hour ago, lurshy92 said:

 

In addition, NY middle school sport competition is GARBAGE compared to other states. Having the 99 pound weight class allows the more advanced kids to be surrounded by varsity athletes, learning and getting better.

 

I don't believe it's the responsibility or purpose of high school athletic associations to facilitate the advancement of kids to get better. They provide the opportunity to compete. It's up to the individual teams and the outside clubs, etc., that provide the athlete additional opportunities to "get better," IMO. That might be more of a stance rooted in theory and traditionalism rather than reality, but it's not the responsibility to allow kids to "challenge themselves" by wrestling up. Wrestling, and every other sport for that matter, has opportunities outside of the state associations to focus on the advanced kids - AAU roundball has been doing it for decades. 

Not saying I'm right about this at all, but I there's high-level clubs for that kind of thing. I also came up into a system where eighth-graders could compete on JV, but varsity was strictly 9-12. Even if there was no middle school wrestling leagues (Virginia lacks them in most areas of the state).

[Sstern 80]

4 hours ago, LJB said:

all middle school wrestling is garbage... 

 

 

The parental attitude killing all public school and rec leagues, regardless of sport.

[Ray Brinzer 22]

7 hours ago, LJB said:

all middle school wrestling is garbage... the vast majority of high school wrestling is garbage until you get to the very pointy end...

there is so much national level youth duals on the east coast throughout the year, that any real talent can find competition outside of a high school bracket... real competition and not just one or two other guys at that level at the state tourney...

This is like having a three-year-old come show you their crayon drawing, and going, "Jesus, this is terrible!"  Yeah, no kidding.  Congratulations for noticing, you clever art critic, you.

[LJB 1,113]

1 hour ago, Ray Brinzer said:

This is like having a three-year-old come show you their crayon drawing, and going, "Jesus, this is terrible!"  Yeah, no kidding.  Congratulations for noticing, you clever art critic, you.

wow, keep applauding mediocrity...

you really brinzer?

[LJB 1,113]

4 hours ago, Sstern said:

The parental attitude killing all public school and rec leagues, regardless of sport.

i am going to concede... i realized during the HS season that maybe i am an *******... i watched an entire family celebrate a HS dual win like it was the olympics... there are levels to this stuff... and possibly i am jaded...

[Ray Brinzer 22]

8 minutes ago, LJB said:

wow, keep applauding mediocrity...

you really brinzer?

It's a process.  Kids start off bad, and get better.  By middle school, of course there are no good wrestlers.  Just people who think optimization for early success counts as "good".  Or that you know who the "real talent" is.  In fact, real talent tends to get crowded out by early specialists, who tend to wind up seriously damaged in one way or another.

So yeah, I applaud "mediocre" as a stage between "terrible" and "good", so long as you don't spend unnecessary time there.

[LJB 1,113]

2 minutes ago, Ray Brinzer said:

It's a process.  Kids start off bad, and get better.  By middle school, of course there are no good wrestlers.  Just people who think optimization for early success counts as "good".  Or that you know who the "real talent" is.  In fact, real talent tends to get crowded out by early specialists, who tend to wind up seriously damaged in one way or another.

So yeah, I applaud "mediocre" as a stage between "terrible" and "good", so long as you don't spend unnecessary time there.

i do not disagree with any of this...

you step on the mat you deserve respect regardless... 

i have back spaced so much because of personal stuff...