Jimmy Cinnabon 411 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 First team: 125 - Nico Megaludis 133 - Scott Lynch 141 - John Hughes 149 - Zain Retherford 157 - Jason Nolf 165 - David Taylor 174 - Mark Hall 184 - Ed Ruth 197 - Bo Nickal Hwt - Kerry McCoy Do I have 133 and 141 right? Second team: 125 - Jim Martin 133 - Cary Kolat 141 - Scott Moore 149 - Frank Molinaro 157 - Dan Vallimont 165 - Vincenzo Joseph 174 - Matt Brown 184 - Quentin Wright 197 - Phil Davis Hwt - Anthony Cassar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pennsyrules 222 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 I like Hughes. Lynch was one timer but not sure what we have any better? Didn't Distafanis win it twice at 118/125? Elinsky would've been 157 until the arrival of Nolf. Crazy how many guys are recent members. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cangemi 228 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 Destafinis , Prescot, Jeremy Hunter also consider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim L 328 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 Sanshiro Abe belongs on the list 1 LLB reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 411 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jim L said: Sanshiro Abe belongs on the list He went 4-3-2-1 right? Is that better than Megaludis and Martin? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cangemi 228 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 Megaludis 3, 2,2,1 stands Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cangemi 228 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 Precott 2 championships? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quaker118 12 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 Andy Matter at 174. 2 time champ. Freshmen not eligible back then. As a soph he was seeded second. Was winning 10-0 in the first round and got pinned. Couldn’t wrestle back. I would put him over Brown. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boompa 203 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, pennsyrules said: I like Hughes. Lynch was one timer but not sure what we have any better? Didn't Distafanis win it twice at 118/125? Elinsky would've been 157 until the arrival of Nolf. Crazy how many guys are recent members. We? Are you a former PSU wrestler or a substantial donor? Edited May 16, 2019 by Boompa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pennsyrules 222 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 Depends what you mean by substantial... I will edit it if makes you feel better:) I'm still struggling with all the political correctness but willing to try. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broomstick 75 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 43 minutes ago, Boompa said: We? Are you a former PSU wrestler or a substantial donor? Nice contribution Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 853 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 Abe was 126 (second wt. class). so you could make a case it's the modern era 133. i'd plug him in there. 2 Nicky_Pipes and JasonBryant reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Novak 147 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 Matter was really tough so yeah he needs to be ahead of Hall and Brown. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 853 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 only novak would take "Not Eligible" - DNP - 1 - 1 over 1-2-2-tbd with the rationale that 'he was tough'. what are you a doctor of? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 820 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) old 118 = 125 Prescott 2 time champ I agree with Husker Du, Abe could be the 133, or maybe go Martin as he went 1st and 3rd at 126 his last two seasons. Edited May 16, 2019 by KTG119 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,539 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 Andy Matter 100 percent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeanGuy 147 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 You could move Ruth to 174 instead of Hall and place Wright on the first team at 184. 1 tabenn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gromit 494 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) Kolat should be considered 141 (3rd weight class) 2nd team (his 2-3 before transferring to LHU trumps Scott Moore) John Fritz '75 (126) 3-3-1 should likely slot in at 2nd team, 2nd weight class Edited May 16, 2019 by gromit 1 gowrestle reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishbane 170 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: He went 4-3-2-1 right? Is that better than Megaludis and Martin? Trying to clear up the lightweights 125/118 Champs: Prescott 88-15-2 (8 losses and 1 tie were in season up at 126. 3 losses to the Brandses) DNW-5-1-1 NCAA, DNW-1-1-1 Conf; Megaludis 119-19, 2-2-3-1 NCAA, 2-2-3-1 Big 10; Jeremy Hunter 123-17, DNP-5-2-1, 3-2-1-2 Big 10; Carl DeStefanis 114-16-1, DNQ-DNP-DNP-1 NCAA, DNP-1-1-1 Conf I'd probably put Prescott #1 at 118/125. His two championships are the most and his final two seasons he lost two matches both up at 126 and one to Terry Brands. Eight of his career losses were up at 126 and he was undefeated at 118 his last two seasons. Those last two seasons along with an OW at NCAAs once and had three conference (before Big ten) titles probably give him 1 over Megaludis at 2. I think Martin belongs up as his 2 best years at this weight wouldn't really stack up with this guys anyway. 133/126 Champs: Martin 155-9-4, 4*-2*-1-3 , Conf 2*-2*-1-1, *=118; Abe 125-15 (1 loss up at 134 to Jaworsky) 4-3-2-1 NCAA, 1-1-2-1 Conf; Fritz 71-10-4 DNP-3-3-1 NCAA, 5-1-1-1 Conf./Reg; Johnston 43-4, DNP*-1*-3** NCAA, 1*-1*-1** Conf, *=130, **=123 At 133/126 I'd put Martin 1 followed by Abe. Martin, still PSUs all time wins leader, won his title at this weight was 68-3-3 at the weight with multiple wins over Tom Brands and Kendall Cross. Never lost to either in NCAA competition. Abe over Fritz as everything is a little better. Fritz beat 4 time finalist Milkovich for his title and Abe had multiple wins over (and losses to) McGinness. Johnston won a title in 1957 at 130 lbs which I guess translates 141/134 Champs: Lynch 73-13-1, DNW-6*-4*-1 NCAA, DNW-1-2-1 Conf, *=126; Fornicola 20-2-1, DNQ*-DNQ*-DNQ*-1*, DNW*-DNW*-DNW*-1*, *=137; Best non champ finish was Kolat 60-6, 2-3 NCAA, 2-1 Conf; I think this is kind of a tossup. Kolat was probably the best wrestler, but his best years were up at 142 and for Lock Haven. Lynch only wrestled three years (one more than Kolat at PSU) and only about 12 matches were at 134 where he was unbeaten his senior year. The rest were down at 126. Fornicola won a title at 137 in 1955 and I guess that's this weight, but I don't know how it compares and it was the onyl season he competed in the postseason. Kolat's sophomore year he only had the one loss at NCAAs and beat Jaworski like 3 times is arguably more impressive than Lynch's 12-1 senior year where he won NCAAs. Could maybe make an argument to pull one of the 149/142s down too as 2 of the 3 were at 141 for a season. Scott Moore had the best finish after the weight class shifted to 141 with a 4th in 2003. I reckon I'd have Kolat 1 and Lynch 2. 149/142 Champs: Retherford 126-3, 2 hodges, 5*-1-1-1 NCAA, 2*-1-1-1 Big 10, *=141, Molinaro 121-29, 8*-5-2-1 NCAA, 8*-4-1-1 Big 10, *=141, Hughes 121-26-2 (4 losses up at 150), DNP-7-1-2, 3-3-1-5 Conf. Retherford is the clear number 1. Molinaro and Hughes are close, though I'll give it to Molinaro. Molinaro was a 4x AA and Hughes was only a 3x AA, but Hughes wrestled as a true freshman before red shirting his second year whereas Molinaro barely AAed his second season after red-shirting his first. Molinaro was undefeated as a senior. When Hughes won the title his junior year he was 33-3, but all three losses were up at 150. Molinaro has one more conference title. Hughes had a slightly better record overall. 157/150 Champs: Nolf 117-3, 2-1-1-1 NCAA, 2-1-6-1 Big 10; Best non-champs Sunderland 105-13-3, DNQ-4*-2-2 NCAA, DNW-2*-1-1 Conf, *=142, *=142; Musser 123-36, DNQ*-DNP**-5-2 NCAA, DNP*-3**-2-2 Big Ten, *=134, **=142; Taylor 134-3, 2-1*-2*-1* NCAA, 1-1*-1*-1* Big Ten, 2* Hodges, *=165 Nolf is clearly #1. Someone said Elinsky but he wrestled at 158 (7-2-2) and 167 (3rd), so I think you gotta consider him at 165 or 174 under the current weights. Taylor's freshman year might be the second best season by a PSU wrestler at 157, but I reckon he makes the team at 165. I think the 2 is pretty clearly Troy Sunderland. His last two years were at 150lbs where he went 60-5-2, won two conference titles (one big ten), and lost in the NCAA finals twice. He beat both Steiners in his career (1-1-1 against Terry, 1-2-1 against Troy) including beating Terry in the conference final before losing to him two weeks later in the NCAA final, blowing a 7-3 lead in the process to lose in the final second. Edited May 16, 2019 by Fishbane 3 Jimmy Cinnabon, KTG119 and gromit reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mspart 270 Report post Posted May 16, 2019 7 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: First team: 125 - Nico Megaludis 133 - Scott Lynch 141 - John Hughes 149 - Zain Retherford 157 - Jason Nolf 165 - David Taylor 174 - Mark Hall 184 - Ed Ruth 197 - Bo Nickal Hwt - Kerry McCoy Do I have 133 and 141 right? Second team: 125 - Jim Martin 133 - Cary Kolat 141 - Scott Moore 149 - Frank Molinaro 157 - Dan Vallimont 165 - Vincenzo Joseph 174 - Matt Brown 184 - Quentin Wright 197 - Phil Davis Hwt - Anthony Cassar How is Kolat on the second team? Not buyin' it. mspart 1 LLB reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,075 Report post Posted May 17, 2019 3 hours ago, mspart said: How is Kolat on the second team? Not buyin' it. mspart He was only 3rd-2nd for PSU. 1st-1st was at Lock Haven Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted May 17, 2019 23 hours ago, Jim L said: Sanshiro Abe belongs on the list He went 4-3-2-1 right? Is that better than Megaludis and Martin? ----------------------------------------- He had to fly in from Japan each morning for classes and practice so he had to be tough. That means he should be here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowrestle 689 Report post Posted May 22, 2019 On 5/16/2019 at 3:29 PM, gromit said: Kolat should be considered 141 (3rd weight class) 2nd team (his 2-3 before transferring to LHU trumps Scott Moore) John Fritz '75 (126) 3-3-1 should likely slot in at 2nd team, 2nd weight class Yes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dartsingle 20 Report post Posted May 22, 2019 On 5/16/2019 at 12:49 PM, quaker118 said: Andy Matter at 174. 2 time champ. Freshmen not eligible back then. As a soph he was seeded second. Was winning 10-0 in the first round and got pinned. Couldn’t wrestle back. I would put him over Brown. Agreed ! He is definitely one of the PSU all time greats....Which is easy to forget about given all the recent success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
