Housebuye 2,220 Report post Posted June 6, 2019 Which freshman starters are you most excited about? Will any win a title? I think Sasso at 149 is extremely interesting. Carr if he goes 157 can win a title at his best. I think he will at some point. Trent Hidlay at 184 is going to give people issues. Beard if he starts looks to have jumped levels Aaron Brooks same story as beard. High bonus potential I think this kid is going to spearhead the next gen of psu hammers stanford has 2 guys - Real Woods and Shane Griffith. Both looked amazing during their redshirt year ASU might start have 4. Teemer is incredible. Needs to work out a couple glaring issues, but he is extremely talented and developed his own style. Chlebove could smash people. His top game is an X factor. He could go 133 or 141. I think Camacho from nc state has potential. Pat McKee is fun to watch, but has taken a bunch of losses recently Who else? 1 Bombermule reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaxHawk174 40 Report post Posted June 6, 2019 I have very high confidence that Cassioppi will AA for Iowa, time will tell how high. I don't think a top 4 or 5 finish is unrealistic. He has the tools to beat most at the weight, but definitely takes risks and sometimes unnecessarily puts himself in precarious situations that cost him a match or two. 1 Bombermule reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,953 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 54 minutes ago, Housebuye said: Which freshman starters are you most excited about? Will any win a title? I think Sasso at 149 is extremely interesting. Carr if he goes 157 can win a title at his best. I think he will at some point. Trent Hidlay at 184 is going to give people issues. Beard if he starts looks to have jumped levels Aaron Brooks same story as beard. High bonus potential I think this kid is going to spearhead the next gen of psu hammers stanford has 2 guys - Real Woods and Shane Griffith. Both looked amazing during their redshirt year ASU might start have 4. Teemer is incredible. Needs to work out a couple glaring issues, but he is extremely talented and developed his own style. Chlebove could smash people. His top game is an X factor. He could go 133 or 141. I think Camacho from nc state has potential. Pat McKee is fun to watch, but has taken a bunch of losses recently Who else? Brayton Lee will be a freshman this year, right? I would add him to your list. 2 Bombermule and Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,083 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) I think it is a pretty weak freshmen class, by modern standards Edited June 7, 2019 by hammerlockthree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 939 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 All of the guys you mentioned are great choices, most of those guys can compete for AA honors right away (probably all except Pat McKee and Chlebove if he wrestles). We'll see if Brooks and Beard go or not--I'd guess no, but the situation from 184 - heavy for PSU right now isn't clear. Some additional guys that could make some noise that haven't been mentioned: Tanner Sloan -- quietly might have had to most impressive redshirt season of anyone. Already owns wins over 2 AA's. Will rep us at Junior Worlds. He will AA in a shallow weight. Brayton Lee -- his pace is going to be a real problem for people. He'll give up points but if you get lazy, his re-attacks are super clean, and he can go all day. Cole Matthews -- really solid kid, had a great RS year, looked a little raw in freestyle but still had some nice wins. Beat Kanen Storr at U23. Gavin Hoffman -- recent freestyle results put a pause on the optimism, but he had a very solid redshirt season. Could see him being on the AA bubble this year. Will Lewan -- holds a win over (an out of form) Pantaleo... he should be ready to step in right away and compete Travis Wittlake -- not quite the start I would have imagined for him, but he's in a great position to improve. Whether he is 165 or 174, both are crowded at the top. Lucas Davison -- another guy that could AA at 197, he has the talent and the credentials. Jaden Mattox -- the talent is there, but I think consistency will be an issue, and he's not guaranteed a spot in the lineup Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu1979 390 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said: I think it is a pretty weak freshmen class, by modern standards I think it is very promising freshman class - here is a list of some of the best in each weight that I am looking forward to seeing next season. Some weights are my best guess and some of the true frosh could red shirt or defer (Ivies) 125 Camacho NC St, Colaiocco Penn, Thompsen Neb, P McKee Mn, J Lane Lehigh 133 - Tagg (or Hernandez) No Carl, Chlebove ASU, Trombley NC St, Johnson Mo & Silva Mi if Micic ORS 141 - Kinner Oh St, Wood Stan, Matthews Pitt, Revano Penn 149 Sasso Oh St, B Lee Mn, Hardy Neb, Alirez No Col 157 Lewan Mi, Teemer ASU, Robb Neb, Mattox (or Sasso if he outgrew 149) Oh St, Phillips No Carl 165 - Carr ISU, Griffith Stan, Mocco Mo, D Braunagal Ill, Possibly Karchla Oh St, I hope Cornell brings out Ramirez or Merola steps it up from his grey shirt year 174 - Wittlake OSU, Z Braunagal Ill, Kent Mo 184 - T Hidlay NC St, Hoffman Or R Jordan Oh St, Montavalo OSU, and possibly Brooks PSU depending on Rasheed, 197 - Sloan So Dkt St, Davison NoWst, Beard PSU depending on Connel, Urbas Penn Hvywt - Cassioppi Io, Emerson Neb, Luffman Ill, possibly Birchmeier Nav if he goes straight to Annapolis, I am looking forward to seeing what these young guys can do. I am sure that there will be many young studs that I am not aware of that will make some noise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,083 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 Yeah I should restate my claim. No freshmen NCAA champs next year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goStanford18 19 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said: Yeah I should restate my claim. No freshmen NCAA champs next year. Sasso, Carr, and Brooks. I like at least one of them getting it done next year. Homer pick, but I think Woods has a decent shot at 141 if both Yianni and Eierman redshirt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 1,225 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, goStanford18 said: Sasso, Carr, and Brooks. I like at least one of them getting it done next year. Homer pick, but I think Woods has a decent shot at 141 if both Yianni and Eierman redshirt. Where is Brooks winning it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 593 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 12 hours ago, nhs67 said: Where is Brooks winning it? He's not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fletcher 762 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 15 hours ago, goStanford18 said: Sasso, Carr, and Brooks. I like at least one of them getting it done next year. Homer pick, but I think Woods has a decent shot at 141 if both Yianni and Eierman redshirt. You missed a chance to say Woods has a Real shot at 141. I'll show myself out. 3 1 2 ConnorsDad, bnwtwg, goStanford18 and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goStanford18 19 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 15 hours ago, nhs67 said: Where is Brooks winning it? 184 only returns Dean and Greer. I think Brooks has the talent to beat both. The only potential issues I foresee are size (Brooks is still wrestling at 79kg) or Zahid bumping up. For all I know, Brooks could be redshirting next year, so he might not even compete. If by chance Hall decides to go 184 (I know this sounds crazy lol) or to take a redshirt, I also think Brooks has the talent to win it at 174. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 939 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 16 hours ago, goStanford18 said: Homer pick, but I think Woods has a decent shot at 141 if both Yianni and Eierman redshirt. That's not that unreasonable. If Yianni doesn't go for whatever reason, 141 is wide open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDogg 273 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 44 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said: That's not that unreasonable. If Yianni doesn't go for whatever reason, 141 is wide open. If it’s that wide open you can bet the farm at least one of the studs at 133 will move up...especially the guys who can’t make 57k and are gonna go 65k at the Olympic trials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creek chub 181 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 Pack freshmen Camacho and hidlay. Both are possible AA threats. I watched Camacho live. Although he wrestled the freshman/ sophomore division at the hokie open, he clearly dominated the field with technique, speed and strength. I heard he gave fausz all he could handle in the room. Hilday could be a natty champ threat in a couple years. He is the real deal. I think he easily wins the 74 slot and displaces one of the Bullard boys. It pains me to say as a VT fan but NC State is gonna be really tough next year Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hwkfan4life 3 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 5 hours ago, goStanford18 said: 184 only returns Dean and Greer. I think Brooks has the talent to beat both. The only potential issues I foresee are size (Brooks is still wrestling at 79kg) or Zahid bumping up. For all I know, Brooks could be redshirting next year, so he might not even compete. If by chance Hall decides to go 184 (I know this sounds crazy lol) or to take a redshirt, I also think Brooks has the talent to win it at 174. Getting blanked by christenson at 174 doesnt exactly show that he has the talent to beat either dean or geer. He will most likely redshirt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hwkfan4life 3 Report post Posted June 7, 2019 5 hours ago, goStanford18 said: 184 only returns Dean and Greer. I think Brooks has the talent to beat both. The only potential issues I foresee are size (Brooks is still wrestling at 79kg) or Zahid bumping up. For all I know, Brooks could be redshirting next year, so he might not even compete. If by chance Hall decides to go 184 (I know this sounds crazy lol) or to take a redshirt, I also think Brooks has the talent to win it at 174. Brooks isnt beating amine, kemerer, or mcfadden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coachp 49 Report post Posted June 8, 2019 22 hours ago, lu1979 said: I think it is very promising freshman class - here is a list of some of the best in each weight that I am looking forward to seeing next season. Some weights are my best guess and some of the true frosh could red shirt or defer (Ivies) 125 Camacho NC St, Colaiocco Penn, Thompsen Neb, P McKee Mn, J Lane Lehigh 133 - Tagg (or Hernandez) No Carl, Chlebove ASU, Trombley NC St, Johnson Mo & Silva Mi if Micic ORS 141 - Kinner Oh St, Wood Stan, Matthews Pitt, Revano Penn 149 Sasso Oh St, B Lee Mn, Hardy Neb, Alirez No Col 157 Lewan Mi, Teemer ASU, Robb Neb, Mattox (or Sasso if he outgrew 149) Oh St, Phillips No Carl 165 - Carr ISU, Griffith Stan, Mocco Mo, D Braunagal Ill, Possibly Karchla Oh St, I hope Cornell brings out Ramirez or Merola steps it up from his grey shirt year 174 - Wittlake OSU, Z Braunagal Ill, Kent Mo 184 - T Hidlay NC St, Hoffman Or R Jordan Oh St, Montavalo OSU, and possibly Brooks PSU depending on Rasheed, 197 - Sloan So Dkt St, Davison NoWst, Beard PSU depending on Connel, Urbas Penn Hvywt - Cassioppi Io, Emerson Neb, Luffman Ill, possibly Birchmeier Nav if he goes straight to Annapolis, I am looking forward to seeing what these young guys can do. I am sure that there will be many young studs that I am not aware of that will make some noise. lu1979, Is Hardy back from his mission for this season? He was a member of the 2018 class I believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,953 Report post Posted June 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Hwkfan4life said: Brooks isnt beating amine, kemerer, or mcfadden How many others can't Brooks beat at 174? Two, four, six more? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu1979 390 Report post Posted June 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Coachp said: lu1979, Is Hardy back from his mission for this season? He was a member of the 2018 class I believe. You are probably right I was not aware Hardy went on a mission. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu1979 390 Report post Posted June 8, 2019 It is very easy to say that no freshman will win next year - many of the weights have very strong guys at the top as long as those guys don't ORS. However when you look at the freshmen who did win NCAA titles over the last 10 years there are not a lot of them who would have started the year as favorites (or even highly likely candidates) to win titles. That includes M Lewis from last year who entered a weight with the # 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, & 8 guys returning plus other highly thought of guys like Massa, White etc. Here are the Freshmen Champs over the last 10 years. Let me know if I overlooked anyone. 19 - M Lewis 18 - S Lee & Yianni D. - both were highly anticipated 17 - M Hall, ViJo M Hall was not a surprise 16 - MyMar 15 - I Mar, & Nato - neither was expected to win - Nato had Delgado & Garret as returning finalists 14 Tsirstis & Cox 97 had cleared out and Cox was highly anticipated 13 - none 12 - Logan S - He was highly anticipated but had defending champ JO in the way. 11 - none 10 M McD & Dake - Dake was a big ? as a true freshman and McD had 2 past NCs in the weight. I would say of the 13 freshmen who won titles I would say only 4 or 5 were guys who would have been expected to win prior to starting their freshman year. Lert's give this new crop of guys a chance to see what they can do. I am looking forward to seeing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yonz_g 67 Report post Posted June 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Creek chub said: Pack freshmen Camacho and hidlay. Both are possible AA threats. I watched Camacho live. Although he wrestled the freshman/ sophomore division at the hokie open, he clearly dominated the field with technique, speed and strength. I heard he gave fausz all he could handle in the room. Hilday could be a natty champ threat in a couple years. He is the real deal. I think he easily wins the 74 slot and displaces one of the Bullard boys. It pains me to say as a VT fan but NC State is gonna be really tough next year Can Hidlay still make 174? He's representing the Junior WT at 86kg (189/190), and looks pretty good at the weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rocklobsta 4 Report post Posted June 8, 2019 On 6/6/2019 at 9:29 PM, steamboat_charlie v2 said: All of the guys you mentioned are great choices, most of those guys can compete for AA honors right away (probably all except Pat McKee and Chlebove if he wrestles). We'll see if Brooks and Beard go or not--I'd guess no, but the situation from 184 - heavy for PSU right now isn't clear. Some additional guys that could make some noise that haven't been mentioned: Tanner Sloan -- quietly might have had to most impressive redshirt season of anyone. Already owns wins over 2 AA's. Will rep us at Junior Worlds. He will AA in a shallow weight. Brayton Lee -- his pace is going to be a real problem for people. He'll give up points but if you get lazy, his re-attacks are super clean, and he can go all day. Cole Matthews -- really solid kid, had a great RS year, looked a little raw in freestyle but still had some nice wins. Beat Kanen Storr at U23. Gavin Hoffman -- recent freestyle results put a pause on the optimism, but he had a very solid redshirt season. Could see him being on the AA bubble this year. Will Lewan -- holds a win over (an out of form) Pantaleo... he should be ready to step in right away and compete Travis Wittlake -- not quite the start I would have imagined for him, but he's in a great position to improve. Whether he is 165 or 174, both are crowded at the top. Lucas Davison -- another guy that could AA at 197, he has the talent and the credentials. Jaden Mattox -- the talent is there, but I think consistency will be an issue, and he's not guaranteed a spot in the lineup Why would you include Travis Wittlake in this list without including Phil Conigliaro, who recently beat Wittlake twice at the Open and then took second (losing to Berge) at the Trials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justafan 123 Report post Posted June 8, 2019 7 hours ago, yonz_g said: Can Hidlay still make 174? He's representing the Junior WT at 86kg (189/190), and looks pretty good at the weight. No he can't he's going 184 and Reenan 197 1 Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu1979 390 Report post Posted June 8, 2019 2 hours ago, rocklobsta said: Why would you include Travis Wittlake in this list without including Phil Conigliaro, who recently beat Wittlake twice at the Open and then took second (losing to Berge) at the Trials. I thought Conigliaro competed last year for Harvard and is now a sophomore. I am not positive as he was not at EIWAs. Harvard can't Red Shirt guys and if they are in school they usually are competing. 1 Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites