Jimmy Cinnabon 411 Report post Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 125 Teske/Matt Parker - NQ 133 RBY - mid-high AA 141 Lee - high AA 149 Verkleeren - NQ 157 Berge - R12 165 Joseph (Starroci RS) - finalist 174 Hall (Brooks RS) - finalist 184 Rasheed - finalist 197 Conel/Beard - low-mid AA HWT Cassar (Nevills RS) - finalist A conservative take is that PSU qualifies all 10 for nationals (first time in a while), has 7 AAs, 4 finalists and 2 champs. Biggest questions are who mans 125 and 197 and if Verkleeren can get it done as a full time starter at 149. Does this lineup have enough firepower in March to take out presumptive favorite Iowa? Edited June 11, 2019 by Jimmy Cinnabon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 1,160 Report post Posted June 11, 2019 Yes. End of thread. 1 1 silvermedal and dwkeller reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,539 Report post Posted June 11, 2019 Probably. They just win all the time. It's what they do. They will figure this all out and find a way. 2 Housebuye and dwkeller reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 411 Report post Posted June 11, 2019 For kicks...Iowa's lineup: 125 Lee - champ 133 Desanto - high AA 141 Murin - low AA 149 Lugo - low AA 157 Young - R12 165 Marinelli - finalist 174 Kemerer - high AA 184 Wilke R12 197 Warner - mid AA HWT Cassiopi - low AA 10 NQs, 8 AAs, 2 finalists and 1 champ. A lot of fire power in that lineup...perhaps not as much bonus potential. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LLB 11 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: 125 Teske/Matt Parker - NQ 133 RBY - mid-high AA 141 Lee - high AA 149 Verkleeren - NQ 157 Berge - R12 165 Joseph (Starroci RS) - finalist 174 Hall (Brooks RS) - finalist 184 Rasheed - finalist 197 Conel/Beard - low-mid AA HWT Cassar (Nevills RS) - finalist A conservative take is that PSU qualifies all 10 for nationals (first time in a while), has 7 AAs, 4 finalists and 2 champs. Biggest questions are who mans 125 and 197 and if Verkleeren can get it done as a full time starter at 149. Does this lineup have enough firepower in March to take out presumptive favorite Iowa? Are you saying Verk and Parker won’t make NCAA’s? Or that they won’t win a match there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,062 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 12 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: For kicks...Iowa's lineup: 125 Lee - champ 133 Desanto - high AA 141 Murin - low AA 149 Lugo - low AA 157 Young - R12 165 Marinelli - finalist 174 Kemerer - high AA 184 Wilke R12 197 Warner - mid AA HWT Cassiopi - low AA 10 NQs, 8 AAs, 2 finalists and 1 champ. A lot of fire power in that lineup...perhaps not as much bonus potential. What in the world did Young do to your family? 2 wildcatfan1992 and goStanford18 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 1,331 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 So Joseph and Marinelli are finalists. Who beats Lewis? 1 Fletcher reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,438 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 PSU now has 6-7 returning AAs (Konel being the question). Assuming no Konel, that means: 6 returning AAs including 4 potential champs Out of the other 4 weights (125, 149, 157, 197) 125: #34 2018 recruit and had redshirt year 149: #20 2017 recruit, cadet world champion 157: #6 recruit 2017, Junior world bronze, NCAA qualifier, 197: #11 recruit 2018 This doesn’t include Aaron Brooks, #2 recruit 2018 or Seth Nevills #22 2018. As an aside, the class of 2017 may end up being the best ever. 1 dwkeller reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
panewbie1 14 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 20 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: 125 Teske/Matt Parker - NQ 133 RBY - mid-high AA 141 Lee - high AA 149 Verkleeren - NQ 157 Berge - R12 165 Joseph (Starroci RS) - finalist 174 Hall (Brooks RS) - finalist 184 Rasheed - finalist 197 Conel/Beard - low-mid AA HWT Cassar (Nevills RS) - finalist A conservative take is that PSU qualifies all 10 for nationals (first time in a while), has 7 AAs, 4 finalists and 2 champs. Biggest questions are who mans 125 and 197 and if Verkleeren can get it done as a full time starter at 149. Does this lineup have enough firepower in March to take out presumptive favorite Iowa? Don't they now have the most points returning by a small margin? If so, then by that measure I would say perhaps a slight favorite. Much different than last season when they were, by just about every measure, an overwhelming favorite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 2,108 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 Even if Cassar and Rasheed both renounced the sport of wrestling PSU would be the heavy favorite to win NCAAs again next year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 411 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 13 hours ago, LLB said: Are you saying Verk and Parker won’t make NCAA’s? Or that they won’t win a match there? NQ = National Qualifier. I also said: A conservative take is that PSU qualifies all 10 for nationals (first time in a while), has 7 AAs, 4 finalists and 2 champs. 1 LLB reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boompa 203 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 I still say if Iowa was not in a position to win it, PSU would throw in the towel with this lineup which could still be top 5. 125: Teske 133: ??? 141: ??? 149: Verkleeren 157: Berge 165: Manville 174: ??? 184: Rasheed 197: Conel HWT: Cassar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hwkfan4life 3 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 On 6/11/2019 at 11:16 AM, Jimmy Cinnabon said: For kicks...Iowa's lineup: 125 Lee - champ 133 Desanto - high AA 141 Murin - low AA 149 Lugo - low AA 157 Young - R12 165 Marinelli - finalist 174 Kemerer - high AA 184 Wilke R12 197 Warner - mid AA HWT Cassiopi - low AA 10 NQs, 8 AAs, 2 finalists and 1 champ. A lot of fire power in that lineup...perhaps not as much bonus bonus I would put young at high all american, and murin rd 12 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,438 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 6 hours ago, panewbie1 said: Don't they now have the most points returning by a small margin? If so, then by that measure I would say perhaps a slight favorite. Much different than last season when they were, by just about every measure, an overwhelming favorite. Fair point. Worth noting that for weights without a returning AA, they have a high level recruit. They can even redshirt a guy like Mark Hall and still have a good shot at the title. Iowa in the other hand has a bunch of guys who could AA, but could also go out in R16 or R12. 141, 149, 184 and 285 are all in that category. Then you add in the risk at 165 (twice underperforming at NCAAs), 174 (two weights up after being severely injured), 197 which could end up scoring anywhere from 4-20 points...if I were an Iowa fan I’d be worried. Cornell I think is a legit dark horse here due to the high end fire power (125, 141, 184, and 197 could each score 20 points or more). They need a couple other guys to make the podium but they could very well break 100 points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 2,108 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Housebuye said: Fair point. Worth noting that for weights without a returning AA, they have a high level recruit. They can even redshirt a guy like Mark Hall and still have a good shot at the title. Iowa in the other hand has a bunch of guys who could AA, but could also go out in R16 or R12. 141, 149, 184 and 285 are all in that category. Then you add in the risk at 165 (twice underperforming at NCAAs), 174 (two weights up after being severely injured), 197 which could end up scoring anywhere from 4-20 points...if I were an Iowa fan I’d be worried. Cornell I think is a legit dark horse here due to the high end fire power (125, 141, 184, and 197 could each score 20 points or more). They need a couple other guys to make the podium but they could very well break 100 points. I think it's a bit optimistic to assume Max Dean will score 20 points at NCAAs next year. He got super lucky this year with his draw/upsets elsewhere in the bracket. I'd put him more at #4 or #5 going into next year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,012 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, TobusRex said: I think it's a bit optimistic to assume Max Dean will score 20 points at NCAAs next year. He got super lucky this year with his draw/upsets elsewhere in the bracket. I'd put him more at #4 or #5 going into next year. You realize one of his draw/upsets was him beating the undefeated favorite to win it all? edited to add: in fact, the ONLY upset he benefited from was Bonaccorsi over Parker. Dean was the 5 seed. So he wrestled who we was supposed to the 1st round. Then beat the #12 seed(Wilcke), whom he was supposed to wrestle. Then had Nino instead of Emory. Then had to beat the #1 seed Martin. He would then lose to the 6seeded Foster in the finals. Edited June 12, 2019 by MSU158 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,012 Report post Posted June 12, 2019 Oh, and 6 of the 8 AA graduated, including Foster...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu1979 565 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 13 hours ago, TobusRex said: I think it's a bit optimistic to assume Max Dean will score 20 points at NCAAs next year. He got super lucky this year with his draw/upsets elsewhere in the bracket. I'd put him more at #4 or #5 going into next year. How did he get super lucky with draw/upsets elsewhere in the bracket? He beat the very heavy favorite in the semis. There was no one else close to Martin going in to that tournament. Foster's resume was as good as anyone's except Martin's & Parker. 184 really cleared out last year - 6 of 8 AAs graduated. Dean will start next year ranked 1st unless Zahid moves up then he will be ranked 2nd. He will probablty be follwed in the preseason rankings by Geer, Rasheed, and Venz (that is the order I would go) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 2,108 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 14 hours ago, MSU158 said: You realize one of his draw/upsets was him beating the undefeated favorite to win it all? edited to add: in fact, the ONLY upset he benefited from was Bonaccorsi over Parker. Dean was the 5 seed. So he wrestled who we was supposed to the 1st round. Then beat the #12 seed(Wilcke), whom he was supposed to wrestle. Then had Nino instead of Emory. Then had to beat the #1 seed Martin. He would then lose to the 6seeded Foster in the finals. Yeah, forgot about the win over Martin, whom I had pegged as a "can't miss" champ last year! I did remember Dean losing to Foster (#6) in the finals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 2,108 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, lu1979 said: How did he get super lucky with draw/upsets elsewhere in the bracket? He beat the very heavy favorite in the semis. There was no one else close to Martin going in to that tournament. Foster's resume was as good as anyone's except Martin's & Parker. 184 really cleared out last year - 6 of 8 AAs graduated. Dean will start next year ranked 1st unless Zahid moves up then he will be ranked 2nd. He will probablty be follwed in the preseason rankings by Geer, Rasheed, and Venz (that is the order I would go) Yeah, forgot about the Martin upset. I looked at the bracket after seeing you and MSU158's comments. I think because the #2 and #3 seeds were both out by the end of quarterfinals that I just kinda chalked that weightclass up to "flukey" last year. Kinda like that year/weight when Kindig got 2nd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,438 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 18 hours ago, TobusRex said: I think it's a bit optimistic to assume Max Dean will score 20 points at NCAAs next year. He got super lucky this year with his draw/upsets elsewhere in the bracket. I'd put him more at #4 or #5 going into next year. Yeah for sure. Not assuming that. Best case, but also a reasonable case. Worth noting that 1. He is on the U23 team, so he will get to train with different partners and coaches. This tends to help the young guys a lot. He wasn’t super high level in high school so he wasn’t traveling to the RTC all the time to train. 2. Foster, Martin, Preisch, zavatsky, Parker and Ness graduated. Zahid may move up and a freshman like Hidlay could give him trouble, but the weight is far weaker this year than in the past 4 or 5 years. He can make the finals this year without a major upset if he is on the opposite side as Zahid. Other guys may be favorites over him, but not by a huge margin 1 TobusRex reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ResiliteMarine 29 Report post Posted June 13, 2019 When was the last time PSU qualified 10? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted June 16, 2019 Penn State is the favorite or co-favorite because of the Coaching staff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jstock 125 Report post Posted June 17, 2019 Starocci at 165 ? Is that confirmed ? 165 Joseph (Starroci RS) - finalist Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaysus 9 Report post Posted July 1, 2019 For what is worth, I do not expect to see RBY at 133 this year. He is currently weighing in at 143 and said that he is working on gaining weight. My guess that if he does not red shirt this year (which he hinted at) is that we see him at 149. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites