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 It seems that if a wrestler wins a medal for Japan at an Olympic weight in Kazakhstan then that wrestler will automatically be on the Olympic team without any further trial. 

It's interesting because Otoguro is coming back from an injury and has beaten Higuchi a few times before but was teched by him today. They have to wrestle again in July but it will be interesting if Higuchi beats him again and then goes to worlds. Would they really put Otoguru aside if Higuchi wins a bronze or something? 

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29 minutes ago, IronChef said:

 

What does everyone think of the Japanese system for picking a team?

They have two tournaments, one in December and one this week. If the same person wins both, that's who makes the team. If the winners are different, they wrestle off in July for the spot.

 

If that’s truly how it works, I like it. Is the wrestle-off best of 3 or just one match?

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On 6/16/2019 at 2:31 PM, Shiraz123 said:

 It seems that if a wrestler wins a medal for Japan at an Olympic weight in Kazakhstan then that wrestler will automatically be on the Olympic team without any further trial. 

It's interesting because Otoguro is coming back from an injury and has beaten Higuchi a few times before but was teched by him today. They have to wrestle again in July but it will be interesting if Higuchi beats him again and then goes to worlds. Would they really put Otoguru aside if Higuchi wins a bronze or something? 

100% agreed.  I wonder if they'd break criteria if this ends up happening.  Seems incredibly harsh to Otoguro to punish him for having to come back from an injury a whole year prior to the Olympics.  

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Does this apply to the women's team?   Let's face it - at a couple weights they likely have two best wrestlers in the world and for all but the heaviest weights bronze is a disappointment for them.   It's such a bad idea and there's no doubt it won't get them their best team.  

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27 minutes ago, Gantry said:

Does this apply to the women's team?   Let's face it - at a couple weights they likely have two best wrestlers in the world and for all but the heaviest weights bronze is a disappointment for them.   It's such a bad idea and there's no doubt it won't get them their best team.  

Same for the women's team.  It's crazy how deep their entire team is for gearing up to the Olympics.  Almost every competitor on the womens side is a multiple time cadet/junior/senior world champion and at several weights this past weekend, the 2-3x defending senior world champs battled against each other for the team spot.

 

Otoguro and Higuchi is going to be a high scoring match.

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1 hour ago, Jim L said:

Did Higuchi get an automatic berth to the World team after his Olympic silver?

He was fantastic at the Olympics and I don't think he has been on a world team since.

 

No, Higuchi went up in weight after the Olympics(and got screwed against Vlad in the Olympic final)

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17 hours ago, CA_Wrestler said:

Same for the women's team.  It's crazy how deep their entire team is for gearing up to the Olympics.  Almost every competitor on the womens side is a multiple time cadet/junior/senior world champion and at several weights this past weekend, the 2-3x defending senior world champs battled against each other for the team spot.

 

Otoguro and Higuchi is going to be a high scoring match.

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Then this is officially the worst qualifying system out there.  Good gravy, what were they thinking?   Heck, I could get behind defending world champs - but bronze?  Come on now, we all know that bronzes medals are often very draw heavy.  And again in most weights (maybe all) for women's a bronze is a disappointment.  It's just plain stupid...

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I guess that I like the two tournament format in that it encourages the top guys to go to both tournaments.  We have two tournaments, but a lot of people skip the first because they are already qualified for the second and then some world medalists skip both because they have a bye to the final wrestle-off.  Under the Japanese system either tournament should be better than the US Open or the WTT. 

The problems come in with the third event.  It will definitely not be as good as Final X.  It might be hard to arrange/promote because there could be too few or too many matches.  Also what happens if someone changes weight in between.  Supposing someone like Jason Nolf wins the first event at 70kg and then wins the second event at 74kg.  Does a world team spot at his choice or does he have to pick one for a wrestle off?  If he picks 74kg to wrestle off at is there a wrestle off at 70kg or does the 70kg from the second event just get the spot?  If not then who wrestles him off?

A world medal in 2019 earning the Olympic spot in 2020 is bull****.  You kind of have to be at your 2020 Olympic weight as early as Dec 2018 and as late as Jun 2019 if you want to make the Olympic team.  That's kind of crazy people change weights all the time.  What happens if you win worlds at a non-Olympic weight?  Too bad?  

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