Could Ke-Shawn Hayes win a title in 2020?

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IF Ke-Shawn can get back down to 141 AND he's locked in, I think he's definitely in AA contention.  I just worry about the latter.  

I hate to play body language doctor, but there were plenty of times, especially late in the season last year, where he didn't exactly look like he wanted to be out there. I get that he might feel hard done by the situation... injury... transfer... Micah drops to 149... all out of his control.  Still, it's too hard to succeed at this level if you don't want it.  

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3 hours ago, balanceseeker said:

If Keyshawn does do well and finish as a high AA does he apply for a 6th year medical waiver?  He would seem to have a better case than some who were recently granted them.

He'll definitely qualify if he wants to.  Wrestled less than 1/3 of that season.  I think he's a pretty good student though, so perhaps he'd be ready to move on to his next venture.  

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12 hours ago, scramble said:

I wish he would have gone to Mizzou.  I felt that way when he signed with tOSU.  He would have had a more ideal weight every year, and I think he would have developed just as well if not better.  I know it is all hindsight, but being in the middle of the Jordans and McKenna was not ideal.  Personally, I think Mizzou develops athletes as good or better than tOSU.  tOSU has a recruiting edge and is in the Big10 which favors them. However, Mizzou is just a step away every year with less to pulls from. Regardless, I wish him the best.  He deserves it.  He has paid his dues.

But he would have been in the middle of Eierman and Leeth/Mauler right?  I don't see how that would end up any better for him. 

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12 hours ago, scramble said:

I wish he would have gone to Mizzou.  I felt that way when he signed with tOSU.  He would have had a more ideal weight every year, and I think he would have developed just as well if not better.  I know it is all hindsight, but being in the middle of the Jordans and McKenna was not ideal.  Personally, I think Mizzou develops athletes as good or better than tOSU.  tOSU has a recruiting edge and is in the Big10 which favors them. However, Mizzou is just a step away every year with less to pulls from. Regardless, I wish him the best.  He deserves it.  He has paid his dues.

Wasn't it really primarily the McKenna transfer that started KeShawn's travels up the line up? It's as if he was recruited over (in a way). 

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15 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

Wasn't it really primarily the McKenna transfer that started KeShawn's travels up the line up? It's as if he was recruited over (in a way). 

Yes, although I suppose you could argue it started with his injury in 2017.  

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2 hours ago, Gantry said:

But he would have been in the middle of Eierman and Leeth/Mauler right?  I don't see how that would end up any better for him. 

Leeth wouldn’t have transferred and mauller would’ve redshirted this year. He would’ve worked in the lineup for at least 3 years

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5 hours ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

He'll definitely qualify if he wants to.  Wrestled less than 1/3 of that season.  I think he's a pretty good student though, so perhaps he'd be ready to move on to his next venture.  

Keyshawn graduated this Spring so I assume that if he is enrolled and competing this year (19/20) that he is pursuing a graduate degree and has decided to stick around Columbus for another 2 years.  I really hope it works out and he gets 2 years at his optimal weight.  

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It would be great if Keyshawn wanted two more years and could get it.  I don't know where he sits with being eligible for another year, but you would think with the way 5 and 6 years are becoming more normal that if he is eligible he could get it.  

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47 minutes ago, balanceseeker said:

Keyshawn graduated this Spring so I assume that if he is enrolled and competing this year (19/20) that he is pursuing a graduate degree and has decided to stick around Columbus for another 2 years.  I really hope it works out and he gets 2 years at his optimal weight.  

Business major, right?  Guess he could go for an MBA at Fisher.  They also have a 1 year SMF program that probably makes more sense for someone coming right out of undergrad anyway.  

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7 hours ago, Housebuye said:

Leeth wouldn’t have transferred and mauller would’ve redshirted this year. He would’ve worked in the lineup for at least 3 years 

He worked in 3 years at tOSU as well.  And you can't be sure that Leeth wouldn't have transferred in at a weight up. Heck McKenna transferred in AT his weight.  Regardless the situation would have been very similar at Mizzou, don't see how that would have been a better fit.  Would have spent most of his career outside his ideal weight, and quite possibly two weights outside it like at Ohio State. 

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9 hours ago, Gantry said:

He worked in 3 years at tOSU as well.  And you can't be sure that Leeth wouldn't have transferred in at a weight up. Heck McKenna transferred in AT his weight.  Regardless the situation would have been very similar at Mizzou, don't see how that would have been a better fit.  Would have spent most of his career outside his ideal weight, and quite possibly two weights outside it like at Ohio State. 

He would’ve been at a more natural weight at Mizzou. 

2017 - 141 (I’m assuming Eierman would’ve started down - if not Hayes wouldn’t have been in the lineup)

2018 - 149 (no Leeth)

2019 - 149 (no Leeth, mauller redshirt - mauller only came out because Leeth got injured)

2020 - 141 (no Leeth)

obviously we can’t know for sure. He could’ve been beaten out for a spot, gotten injured like he did at tOSU, and plenty of other scenarios. It is interesting however to consider he could’ve been a 3-4 time AA if he went to Mizzou. This in no way reflects poorly on Hayes or tOSU but still worth discussing imo. 

I lost faith in Hayes AAing at 157 when he lost to Barone from Illinois. He also screwed himself in 2018 with that loss to Rutgers in the last few seconds (de Luca I think?). Killed his draw, then at NCAAs he has some combination of Sorensen and Deakin on the backside. 

 He has had some terrible luck, although much of it came from minor match mistakes. Still it is clear he has the talent to be a 4 time AA and may end up with none (or 2 - he could get a medical maybe and end up AAing this year and next. Would be quite the turnaround)

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Demas

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I think it’s been verified Hayes was granted a 6th year, eligibility wise. The question all along with Hayes has been the health of his shoulder.

If I recall correctly, I think someone previously mentioned Hayes was still enrolled on campus and maybe in the Fisher school of business for his MBA, which would be his second and last year with that in the program this upcoming season, so the timing and logistics of that seemingly would work out.

With the season likely going to be postponed til after the new year, and the season also likely to be condensed and shortened, I don’t see how Tom Ryan could/would ever stand in the way of Hayes giving it one last shot if that’s what he chose. Hayes is best friends with Myles Martin, who still trains and works out in Columbus... which would also help the cause one would think.

I don’t know in which order, but if Hayes can make it a go, he along with Sasso and Echemendia give the Bucks their best lineup in some sort of combination between 141, 149 and 157.

For all the sacrifices he’s had to endure, I hope he’s healthy and gets a shot, even if it’s not with the Bucks. Even as a grad transfer to Missouri for instance,  anywhere I would like to see it.

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Anybody who makes the NCAA tourney has a chance, even if it's only one in a million. 

[dman115 513]

Wish him the best of luck, but NO, he will not ever win an NCAA D1 National Title.

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8 hours ago, Aviator12 said:

I think it’s been verified Hayes was granted a 6th year, eligibility wise. The question all along with Hayes has been the health of his shoulder.

If I recall correctly, I think someone previously mentioned Hayes was still enrolled on campus and maybe in the Fisher school of business for his MBA, which would be his second and last year with that in the program this upcoming season, so the timing and logistics of that seemingly would work out.

With the season likely going to be postponed til after the new year, and the season also likely to be condensed and shortened, I don’t see how Tom Ryan could/would ever stand in the way of Hayes giving it one last shot if that’s what he chose. Hayes is best friends with Myles Martin, who still trains and works out in Columbus... which would also help the cause one would think.

I don’t know in which order, but if Hayes can make it a go, he along with Sasso and Echemendia give the Bucks their best lineup in some sort of combination between 141, 149 and 157.

For all the sacrifices he’s had to endure, I hope he’s healthy and gets a shot, even if it’s not with the Bucks. Even as a grad transfer to Missouri for instance,  anywhere I would like to see it.

I thought Ke-Shawn announced that he "retired" from wrestling?

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This is themat.com/tOSU version of HawkeyeReports' Brody Grothus thread

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2 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

This is themat.com/tOSU version of HawkeyeReports' Brody Grothus thread

Sorry, I don't frequent Hawkeye Reports.  Who is Brody Grothus?  And how is his situation similar to Ke-Shawn?

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On 6/25/2019 at 9:59 AM, Perry said:

I would also give him a fair shake vs a Nick Lee caliber guy. Not a Yianni/Eirmann type though

When did Eierman become a world beater?  This statement is ridiculous.  

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Man. Some seriously bad prognosticating here re: Hayes vs Lee.

2020 Nick Lee would tech fall Hayes at 141.

I mean, absolute and pure destruction.


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36 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Man. Some seriously bad prognosticating here re: Hayes vs Lee.

2020 Nick Lee would tech fall Hayes at 141.

I mean, absolute and pure destruction.


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Amen.

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maybe if he transfers

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On 9/10/2020 at 7:47 AM, TobusRex said:

Anybody who makes the NCAA tourney has a chance, even if it's only one in a million. 

ahh ... I'll take that bet with those odds.  Can you name any of the 33 guys at each weight who qualified for the tournament that actually won the title in 2020?  ;)

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This thread has potential.

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I'm a tOSU homer but I think he would be lucky to AA at any weight. And I think Nick Lee would destroy him.

Edited September 11, 2020 by DocBZ