Zain - Yanni outcome?

[gowrestle 621]

Anyone know the outcome of the legal challenge?

[Housebuye 2,008]

No but Zain is being referred to as the world team member in USA wrestling articles

[nhs67 586]

56 minutes ago, Housebuye said:

No but Zain is being referred to as the world team member in USA wrestling articles

That is because he won the best of three series two matches to zero.

[TBar1977 3,666]

32 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

That is because he won the best of three series two matches to zero.

 

Looking forward to Zain getting a medal this year. 

[Keisha_Phillips 20]

4 hours ago, TBar1977 said:

 

Looking forward to Zain getting a medal this year. 

Really depends on his draw, 65 kg is the toughest weight at worlds.  Zain is between the 6-9th best guy at the weight.  

[Perry 1,164]

Are the legal proceedings still ongoing I imagine? What are the odds that anything happens to change the outcome as egregious as it was?

[cjc007 607]

Are the legal proceedings still ongoing I imagine? What are the odds that anything happens to change the outcome as egregious as it was?

I'd say it's a 50/50 odds.



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[TBar1977 3,666]

5/95

[nhs67 586]

3/97

[cjc007 607]

Maybe, they'll just flip a coin.

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[treep2000 899]

Is this a "legal" thing?  What US, State, or Local law was broken?  Or... are they just challenging "rulings" and a "regulations" of a sport's governing body?  

[Boompa 155]

5 minutes ago, treep2000 said:

Is this a "legal" thing?  What US, State, or Local law was broken?  Or... are they just challenging "rulings" and a "regulations" of a sport's governing body?  

Yes...someone could do time over this.

[Housebuye 2,008]

35 minutes ago, treep2000 said:

Is this a "legal" thing?  What US, State, or Local law was broken?  Or... are they just challenging "rulings" and a "regulations" of a sport's governing body?  

See Matt Lindland in 2000. Lawyers are involved already. 

[Housebuye 2,008]

9 hours ago, TBar1977 said:

 

Looking forward to Zain getting a medal this year. 

He better!

[Coachp 30]

Everyone's attention is on the 2nd match that the officials totally botched, but Zane won the first match with some pretty sketchy, and questionable  calls as well.

Edited June 28, 2019 by Coachp

[gowrestle 621]

19 minutes ago, Coachp said:

Everyone's attention is on the 2nd match that the officials totally botched, but Zane won the first match with some pretty shady, and questionable  calls as well.

Freestyle rules are a mess. Almost every match has calls that clearly can be questioned. 

[mspart 181]

28 minutes ago, Coachp said:

Everyone's attention is on the 2nd match that the officials totally botched, but Zane won the first match with some pretty sketchy, and questionable  calls as well.

I agree.  But it was too close to say Y won it.  You have to win it to say you beat someone.  I would say that Z looked better than Y.

mspart

[TBar1977 3,666]

Zain was not only the better wrestler that nite, but also clearly the more aggressive wrestler.

[cjc007 607]

Freestyle rules are a mess. Almost every match has calls that clearly can be questioned. 

That's not entirely true. The freestyle bouts we see are usually two highly skilled wrestlers competing at a very high level. The wrestling continues to evolve faster than the rules. That's where it's gets hard to call the high level bouts. Plus there is bias in the officiating even at s subliminal level.

 

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[gowrestle 621]

7 hours ago, cjc007 said:

That's not entirely true. The freestyle bouts we see are usually two highly skilled wrestlers competing at a very high level. The wrestling continues to evolve faster than the rules. That's where it's gets hard to call the high level bouts. Plus there is bias in the officiating even at s subliminal level.

 

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Good point. Unfortunately so many just don’t see what’s happening. 

[Jim L 194]

13 hours ago, cjc007 said:

That's not entirely true. The freestyle bouts we see are usually two highly skilled wrestlers competing at a very high level. The wrestling continues to evolve faster than the rules. That's where it's gets hard to call the high level bouts. Plus there is bias in the officiating even at s subliminal level.

 

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Same thing happens in folk, lots of matches end in controversy, see this year's finals and the wrestling is evolving so are the rules, look at the danger position rules, reaction time for a TD, not moving up being stalling a 5 count etc 

Edited June 29, 2019 by Jim L

[Sstern 80]

12 hours ago, TBar1977 said:

Zain was not only the better wrestler that nite, but also clearly the more aggressive wrestler.

Largely true.  People are missing the fact that this wasn't just a possible blown call that cost THE match but one of a possible three, the way Yanni  “beat” McKenna for the NCAA title with a rather dubious call.  

Zain clearly won the first and was  equally competitive in the second.  It’s not like he was losing big and won on a disputed touch fall.

What  bothered me was the timing of the call and the fact that Yanni couldn’t go back and wrestle from the time of the reversal. 

[Coachp 30]

17 hours ago, mspart said:

I agree.  But it was too close to say Y won it.  You have to win it to say you beat someone.  I would say that Z looked better than Y.

mspart

The part of the first match I questioned the most was 2 and 2 for Z, when it could have been at least 2 for Y, so 6 or even an 8 point swing. I think the head official at the table has a picture of Zain on his bedroom ceiling based on his decisions in both matches.

[tbert 560]

5 minutes ago, Coachp said:

The part of the first match I questioned the most was 2 and 2 for Z, when it could have been at least 2 for Y, so 6 or even an 8 point swing. I think the head official at the table has a picture of Zain on his bedroom ceiling based on his decisions in both matches.

Or you have one of Yanni

[Coachp 30]

5 hours ago, tbert said:

Or you have one of Yanni

LOL, no, and not even a big Yanni, vs Zane fan either, I support them both,.... I just dont want to see what we saw in those matches. These guys are putting their whole lives into this, and they deserve better from the judges that what happened.

If nothing else happens, I hope the head official is never allowed to officiate above a kids level match again.