gowrestle 697 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 Anyone know the outcome of the legal challenge? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,449 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 No but Zain is being referred to as the world team member in USA wrestling articles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,101 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 56 minutes ago, Housebuye said: No but Zain is being referred to as the world team member in USA wrestling articles That is because he won the best of three series two matches to zero. 1 Ogalthorpe Haywood reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,602 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, nhs67 said: That is because he won the best of three series two matches to zero. Looking forward to Zain getting a medal this year. 1 Ogalthorpe Haywood reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keisha_Phillips 37 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 4 hours ago, TBar1977 said: Looking forward to Zain getting a medal this year. Really depends on his draw, 65 kg is the toughest weight at worlds. Zain is between the 6-9th best guy at the weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,429 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 Are the legal proceedings still ongoing I imagine? What are the odds that anything happens to change the outcome as egregious as it was? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 774 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 Are the legal proceedings still ongoing I imagine? What are the odds that anything happens to change the outcome as egregious as it was?I'd say it's a 50/50 odds. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,602 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 5/95 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,101 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 3/97 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 774 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 Maybe, they'll just flip a coin. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 1,152 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 Is this a "legal" thing? What US, State, or Local law was broken? Or... are they just challenging "rulings" and a "regulations" of a sport's governing body? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boompa 208 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, treep2000 said: Is this a "legal" thing? What US, State, or Local law was broken? Or... are they just challenging "rulings" and a "regulations" of a sport's governing body? Yes...someone could do time over this. 2 Yellow_Medal and scribe reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,449 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, treep2000 said: Is this a "legal" thing? What US, State, or Local law was broken? Or... are they just challenging "rulings" and a "regulations" of a sport's governing body? See Matt Lindland in 2000. Lawyers are involved already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,449 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 9 hours ago, TBar1977 said: Looking forward to Zain getting a medal this year. He better! 1 scribe reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coachp 50 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) Everyone's attention is on the 2nd match that the officials totally botched, but Zane won the first match with some pretty sketchy, and questionable calls as well. Edited June 28, 2019 by Coachp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowrestle 697 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, Coachp said: Everyone's attention is on the 2nd match that the officials totally botched, but Zane won the first match with some pretty shady, and questionable calls as well. Freestyle rules are a mess. Almost every match has calls that clearly can be questioned. 1 TheOhioState reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mspart 270 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 28 minutes ago, Coachp said: Everyone's attention is on the 2nd match that the officials totally botched, but Zane won the first match with some pretty sketchy, and questionable calls as well. I agree. But it was too close to say Y won it. You have to win it to say you beat someone. I would say that Z looked better than Y. mspart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,602 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 Zain was not only the better wrestler that nite, but also clearly the more aggressive wrestler. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 774 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 Freestyle rules are a mess. Almost every match has calls that clearly can be questioned. That's not entirely true. The freestyle bouts we see are usually two highly skilled wrestlers competing at a very high level. The wrestling continues to evolve faster than the rules. That's where it's gets hard to call the high level bouts. Plus there is bias in the officiating even at s subliminal level. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk 1 Yellow_Medal reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowrestle 697 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 7 hours ago, cjc007 said: That's not entirely true. The freestyle bouts we see are usually two highly skilled wrestlers competing at a very high level. The wrestling continues to evolve faster than the rules. That's where it's gets hard to call the high level bouts. Plus there is bias in the officiating even at s subliminal level. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk Good point. Unfortunately so many just don’t see what’s happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim L 328 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, cjc007 said: That's not entirely true. The freestyle bouts we see are usually two highly skilled wrestlers competing at a very high level. The wrestling continues to evolve faster than the rules. That's where it's gets hard to call the high level bouts. Plus there is bias in the officiating even at s subliminal level. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk Same thing happens in folk, lots of matches end in controversy, see this year's finals and the wrestling is evolving so are the rules, look at the danger position rules, reaction time for a TD, not moving up being stalling a 5 count etc Edited June 29, 2019 by Jim L 2 gowrestle and Yellow_Medal reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sstern 192 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 12 hours ago, TBar1977 said: Zain was not only the better wrestler that nite, but also clearly the more aggressive wrestler. Largely true. People are missing the fact that this wasn't just a possible blown call that cost THE match but one of a possible three, the way Yanni “beat” McKenna for the NCAA title with a rather dubious call. Zain clearly won the first and was equally competitive in the second. It’s not like he was losing big and won on a disputed touch fall. What bothered me was the timing of the call and the fact that Yanni couldn’t go back and wrestle from the time of the reversal. 1 cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coachp 50 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 17 hours ago, mspart said: I agree. But it was too close to say Y won it. You have to win it to say you beat someone. I would say that Z looked better than Y. mspart The part of the first match I questioned the most was 2 and 2 for Z, when it could have been at least 2 for Y, so 6 or even an 8 point swing. I think the head official at the table has a picture of Zain on his bedroom ceiling based on his decisions in both matches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Coachp said: The part of the first match I questioned the most was 2 and 2 for Z, when it could have been at least 2 for Y, so 6 or even an 8 point swing. I think the head official at the table has a picture of Zain on his bedroom ceiling based on his decisions in both matches. Or you have one of Yanni 2 Flying-Tiger and ConnorsDad reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coachp 50 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 5 hours ago, tbert said: Or you have one of Yanni LOL, no, and not even a big Yanni, vs Zane fan either, I support them both,.... I just dont want to see what we saw in those matches. These guys are putting their whole lives into this, and they deserve better from the judges that what happened. If nothing else happens, I hope the head official is never allowed to officiate above a kids level match again. 2 wrestlingnerd and cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites