whaletail 106 Report post Posted July 13 47 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: That leglace from Erdogan was sick. Isn't that Opan Sat? Definitely looks like him, and is the right size. If so, he's really good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 555 Report post Posted July 13 Just now, AZ_wrestling said: I hope J’Den goes up. I want to see Sadulaev beat. Don't tease me with fun hypotheticals. The fact that him and Snyder are constantly training together makes me think he is going down. But maybe not, but maybe so. I have no idea, I used to think he was too big, but now.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 555 Report post Posted July 13 How good is Akgul looking, we are a good distance behind here in the ole USA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whaletail 106 Report post Posted July 13 Interesting post match music Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 736 Report post Posted July 13 **NEWS FLASH** akgul is pretty good... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iGranby 155 Report post Posted July 13 If Gwiz can hold off the early storm, and Akgul doesn't improve his stamina at all then I think it's a winnable match for Gwiz honestly. Gotta wear him out in the first. Akgul is technically superior though, and a better athlete. Which is something Gwiz essentially never has to deal with as he is a great athlete himself. It was cool seeing the crowd get animated for their guy in any case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 141 Report post Posted July 13 that was a dominant performance from akgul. wow. he did not seem worried at all for even a second. still, a good flexible move to grab the ankle and elevate himself to get a point by gwiz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZ_wrestling 63 Report post Posted July 13 9 minutes ago, spladle08 said: Don't tease me with fun hypotheticals. The fact that him and Snyder are constantly training together makes me think he is going down. But maybe not, but maybe so. I have no idea, I used to think he was too big, but now.... Yeah I was convinced he was going to 97 after the rule change but I’m not so sure anymore. Guess we’ll see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whaletail 106 Report post Posted July 13 10 minutes ago, spladle08 said: Don't tease me with fun hypotheticals. The fact that him and Snyder are constantly training together makes me think he is going down. But maybe not, but maybe so. I have no idea, I used to think he was too big, but now.... Maybe I'm crazy, but I think the J'den we've seen lately could potentially beat Snyder, and I think I might even pick him to win. Especially if the extra muscle doesn't hurt his speed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 736 Report post Posted July 13 9 minutes ago, iGranby said: If Gwiz can hold off the early storm, and Akgul doesn't improve his stamina at all then I think it's a winnable match for Gwiz honestly. Gotta wear him out in the first. Akgul is technically superior though, and a better athlete. Which is something Gwiz essentially never has to deal with as he is a great athlete himself. It was cool seeing the crowd get animated for their guy in any case. i didn't see anything in that match that would lead me to believe gwiz will ever beat akgul... levels to this game Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsmalls131313 20 Report post Posted July 13 2 minutes ago, whaletail said: Maybe I'm crazy, but I think the J'den we've seen lately could potentially beat Snyder, and I think I might even pick him to win. Especially if the extra muscle doesn't hurt his speed. I keep seeing people say this. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think J'den beating guys in a lighter, easier weight class means he's going to be able to bump up and do the same thing to Snyder/Sadulaev, who both basically only lose to each other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 736 Report post Posted July 13 1 minute ago, jsmalls131313 said: I keep seeing people say this. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think J'den beating guys in a lighter, easier weight class means he's going to be able to bump up and do the same thing to Snyder/Sadulaev, who both basically only lose to each other. sadulaev only has lost to snyder... snyder has lost to a bunch (respectively) in his international career... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sisi 17 Report post Posted July 13 5 minutes ago, jsmalls131313 said: I keep seeing people say this. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think J'den beating guys in a lighter, easier weight class means he's going to be able to bump up and do the same thing to Snyder/Sadulaev, who both basically only lose to each other. Didn't Sadulaev do just that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 816 Report post Posted July 13 We need to see JDen take on and take down his own "monsters" before proclaiming him to be able to beat Sadulaev. 92kg last year wasn't exactly a juggernaut of a weight class. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsmalls131313 20 Report post Posted July 13 19 minutes ago, sisi said: Didn't Sadulaev do just that. 23 minutes ago, LJB said: sadulaev only has lost to snyder... snyder has lost to a bunch (respectively) in his international career... Sadulaev has only lost to Snyder at any weight class. Jden didn't even place at last years Yasar Dogu at 92kg. Id love to see J'den take home an Olympic gold like Snyder has, but there is no one on his recent resume that makes me think hes going to be able to bump up and take out Snyder, let alone the Tank. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 736 Report post Posted July 13 17 minutes ago, jsmalls131313 said: Sadulaev has only lost to Snyder at any weight class. Jden didn't even place at last years Yasar Dogu at 92kg. Id love to see J'den take home an Olympic gold like Snyder has, but there is no one on his recent resume that makes me think hes going to be able to bump up and take out Snyder, let alone the Tank. clearly, cox has a better chance at 86 than 97... putting on weight takes too long for your body to adjust and maintain any real kind of stamina and body awareness to compete against the absolute best... history has shown a full year minimum... but, is there anyway cox could go back down to 86 for same day 2 day weigh ins? seems sketchy at best... 1 jsmalls131313 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alliseeisgold 52 Report post Posted July 13 anybody see downeys first match it looked like he gassed. Was a big 4 point move then he started coming back got within 3 and had the leg of punia and then just gassed seemingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 736 Report post Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, alliseeisgold said: anybody see downeys first match it looked like he gassed. Was a big 4 point move then he started coming back got within 3 and had the leg of punia and then just gassed seemingly. i watched it a little bit ago and his performance was not as bad as i expected by the score... he was in that match till very late... and yes, he looked tired at the end of the match, but, again... that could have been nerves... or a big effort late trying to do something... i'll withhold any real judgement until tommorrow... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 736 Report post Posted July 13 i forgot to add, bad challenge by hump did not help downey's cause at all... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMardigain 1,017 Report post Posted July 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, whaletail said: Isn't that Opan Sat? Definitely looks like him, and is the right size. If so, he's really good. Yes. After transferring to Turkey his name got changed. The name basically means Ghenghis Khan. Pretty sweet if you ask me. Edited July 13 by MadMardigain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whaletail 106 Report post Posted July 13 16 minutes ago, LJB said: clearly, cox has a better chance at 86 than 97... putting on weight takes too long for your body to adjust and maintain any real kind of stamina and body awareness to compete against the absolute best... history has shown a full year minimum... but, is there anyway cox could go back down to 86 for same day 2 day weigh ins? seems sketchy at best... I hadn't even considered Sadulaev, and since J'den's looking to win worlds, 86 has to be the better option. I'm just not sure how he makes it, and still wrestles well the same day. Weren't there day before weigh-ins in Rio? Although an unpopular opinion here in the states, I fear Sadulaev is a level above Snyder. Even if last year's world final was a bit flukey, Sadulaev was hunting for that arm all tournament, and I imagine Snyder was aware of that. Maybe Snyder can wear him out again, but I'm doubtful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iGranby 155 Report post Posted July 13 1 hour ago, LJB said: i didn't see anything in that match that would lead me to believe gwiz will ever beat akgul... levels to this game Fair enough, I still stick by the thought that Gwiz could create a scenario that makes the match winnable - but I dont think youre wrong either. Akgul allowed that to be a 5-1 match, couldve turned it up more in the 1st and got the tech maybe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 736 Report post Posted July 13 8 minutes ago, whaletail said: I hadn't even considered Sadulaev, and since J'den's looking to win worlds, 86 has to be the better option. I'm just not sure how he makes it, and still wrestles well the same day. Weren't there day before weigh-ins in Rio? Although an unpopular opinion here in the states, I fear Sadulaev is a level above Snyder. Even if last year's world final was a bit flukey, Sadulaev was hunting for that arm all tournament, and I imagine Snyder was aware of that. Maybe Snyder can wear him out again, but I'm doubtful. i don't disagree with any of this... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 736 Report post Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, iGranby said: Fair enough, I still stick by the thought that Gwiz could create a scenario that makes the match winnable - but I dont think youre wrong either. Akgul allowed that to be a 5-1 match, couldve turned it up more in the 1st and got the tech maybe. hey, i appreciate your optimism, but, akgul has gwiz covered everywhere... and that is not disparaging to gwiz... akgul is just really, really good... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iGranby 155 Report post Posted July 13 1 minute ago, LJB said: hey, i appreciate your optimism, but, akgul has gwiz covered everywhere... and that is not disparaging to gwiz... akgul is just really, really good... Yeah I gotcha - nothing wrong with your point/view at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
