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What’s the story behind the inj def for the 65kg final?

What happened to James Green? I don’t understand his streakiness.

Does Ringer look ready for his Finalx wrestle-off?

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14 minutes ago, GoNotQuietly said:

Late to the party here, but did Burroughs catch a massive break while fleeing for the last minute of his quarterfinals, or am i wrong?

He gave up a caution and one for fleeing.  The break he picked up was the point he picked up for the lost challenge.

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the caution and 1 on JB was warranted... and he was warned previous to that for good reason, but, he didn't get on his bike till about 15 seconds left...

the real break he got was no getting hit with a step out before he secured his lone takedown... i understand how it was missed, but, it was blatant... both feet out before he gets fully behind... that changes the entire match... instead of being up by 3 he is behind on criteria...

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1 hour ago, MadMardigain said:

Yes.  After transferring to Turkey his name got changed.   The name basically means Ghenghis Khan.   Pretty sweet if you ask me. 

Thanks for the confirmation, and yeah, that's a helluva name change.

I guess I assumed he retired, but obviously not.

Considering that he beat him, Ali would have been a really useful measuring stick for Yianni.

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3 minutes ago, LJB said:

the caution and 1 on JB was warranted... and he was warned previous to that for good reason, but, he didn't get on his bike till about 15 seconds left...

the real break he got was no getting hit with a step out before he secured his lone takedown... i understand how it was missed, but, it was blatant... both feet out before he gets fully behind... that changes the entire match... instead of being up by 3 he is behind on criteria...

I get that they're covered by the rules, but I wish go behinds and other finishes were exempt.  They seem to contravene the spirit of the rule, and can unnecessarily limit edge offense.

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2 minutes ago, whaletail said:

I get that they're covered by the rules, but I wish go behinds and other finishes were exempt.  They seem to contravene the spirit of the rule, and can unnecessarily limit edge offense.

there is an entire mat to wrestle on... running to the edge is just that, running... there is a field of competition for a reason

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9 minutes ago, whaletail said:

Considering that he beat him, Ali would have been a really useful measuring stick for Yianni.

considering yianni dropped bajrang earlier this year, i think we know how he measures up...

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Just now, LJB said:

there is an entire mat to wrestle on... running to the edge is just that, running... there is a field of competition for a reason

i think he means if there is a wrestler backed to the edge and you have to leave the mat to get behind, it shouldn't be a step out penalty if you're making an offensive move, not fleeing. I guess that's not a bad rule but you also shouldn't be able to get credit for 2 if you finish the move from outside the circle.

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1 minute ago, ugarte said:

i think he means if there is a wrestler backed to the edge and you have to leave the mat to get behind, it shouldn't be a step out penalty if you're making an offensive move, not fleeing. I guess that's not a bad rule but you also shouldn't be able to get credit for 2 if you finish the move from outside the circle.

i know what dude is getting at... i just don't prescribe to it...

out of bounds is out of bounds... 

stay within the field of competition...

this isn't the silliness of folk...

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35 minutes ago, LJB said:

considering yianni dropped bajrang earlier this year, i think we know how he measures up...

You don't think more data is helpful?

And as meaningful as that win was, Bajrang is a bit of a gas tank specialist; decent offense, decent defense, and almost always losing until his opponents just wear out.  That isn't Yianni's weakness.  I also think senior level rankings tournament wins are more meaningful than BTS wins, for his own confidence if nothing else.

As an example, although Suriano beat Colon at BTS, I'd still favor Colon to beat him, perhaps even handily, at something like WTTs or the Open.

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6 minutes ago, whaletail said:

You don't think more data is helpful?

And as meaningful as that win was, Bajrang is a bit of a gas tank specialist; decent offense, decent defense, and almost always losing until his opponents just wear out.  That isn't Yianni's weakness.  I also think senior level rankings tournament wins are more meaningful than BTS wins, for his own confidence if nothing else.

As an example, although Suriano beat Colon at BTS, I'd still favor Colon to beat him, perhaps even handily, at something like WTTs or the Open.

if bajrang had showed up out of shape and acted like he didn't care about BTS then i would not think much of the win one way or the other... but he was in shape and wanted that match...

and sure, i would have preferred yianni wrestled today than not, but, point being, we already know he is capable of beating anyone on this planet...

 

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5 minutes ago, LJB said:

if bajrang had showed up out of shape and acted like he didn't care about BTS then i would not think much of the win one way or the other... but he was in shape and wanted that match...

and sure, i would have preferred yianni wrestled today than not, but, point being, we already know he is capable of beating anyone on this planet...

 

Bajrang had wrestled on three continents in three weeks. It is possible that he may have been a little worn down.

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1 hour ago, LJB said:

did you watch the match?

did he look worn down?

tired?

no, not to me either...

 

again, we know yianni can beat anyone on the planet... 

but, wrestling is hard... 

and sometimes you get fuk'd by incompetent officials...

Just saying, the man had wrestled on three continents in three weeks.  Have you ever traveled?  Maybe he was missing a gear?

And yes, I saw the match.

Has Yianni beaten Otogoru?

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24 minutes ago, LJB said:

the man won on 2 of those 3 continents...

 

I'm a huge Yianni fan.  I sat in front of the TV today to watch him receive a forfeit.

But it was also the third of three continents Punia had wrestled on, and the scoring was suspect at times.

Definitely a huge win for Johnny D though.

How about Otugoro?

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bajrang showed up and wrestled well... showed no ill effects from his travels... won the other 2 tourneys he had wrestled in... was obviously pumped for the challenge as evidence by his social media posts... took the match seriously and wanted to win by evidence of the way he (and his coach) acted during and after the match...

to be fair, i remember there was some questionable scoring during the match and i watched it several times and i remember agreeing that yanni won, but, for the life of me now i can't remember the circumstances of it...

and how about that otoguro, huh?

he's aight...

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22 minutes ago, LJB said:

bajrang showed up and wrestled well... showed no ill effects from his travels... won the other 2 tourneys he had wrestled in... was obviously pumped for the challenge as evidence by his social media posts... took the match seriously and wanted to win by evidence of the way he (and his coach) acted during and after the match...

to be fair, i remember there was some questionable scoring during the match and i watched it several times and i remember agreeing that yanni won, but, for the life of me now i can't remember the circumstances of it...

and how about that otoguro, huh?

he's aight...

Yes, Yianni has proven he can beat Punia under some favorable circumstances.  But Punia is not "anyone in the world." He may be one of the best, but there is still a Japanese gentleman to deal with.

 

I would have loved a match with Punia this weekend.

Edited by AHamilton

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10 minutes ago, AHamilton said:

Yes, Yianni has proven he can beat Punia under some favorable circumstances.  But Punia is not "anyone in the world." He may be one of the best, but there is still a Japanese gentleman to deal with.

 

I would have loved a match with Punia this weekend.

you are exactly right... bajrang is not "anyone in the world"...

he is just the #1 ranked wrestler at 65 in the world...

but, whatever...

surely it was a fluke...

regardless, yianni has beaten the #1 wrestler in the world (whatever the circumstances)... then goes to yasar dogu, his first international senior level tourney,  and gets gold (whatever the circumstances)...

he is without a doubt our only shot at a world medal at 65 right now...

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7 hours ago, LJB said:

i forgot to add, bad challenge by hump did not help downey's cause at all...

Hump has been 100% correct on all of his challenges and he immediately raised his hand, displaying 4 fingers.  On countless occasions, I have seen Downey use his opponent's momentum against them, only to come out on top, with Wright, Crutchmer, and Heflin immediately coming to mind.   Looked like Downey initiated the roll through and should have gotten the 4...which would have resulted in a 9-6 win.  You make the call. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz2jnsFnPUy/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 

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1 minute ago, Blue Dragons said:

Hump has been 100% correct on all of his challenges. He immediately raised his hand, displaying 4 fingers.  On countless occasions, I have seen Downey use his opponent's momentum against them, only to come out on top, with Wright, Crutchmer and Heflin immediately coming to mind.   Looked like Downey initiated the roll through and should have gotten the 4...which would have resulted in a 9-6 win. 

if you understand the rules you would understand why this was a bad challenge...

who initiated the action?.

punia

was punia's momentum stopped?

no

was there a change in direction from the initial action?

no

this is 4 all day for punia... hump should have known that... everyone who knows free should know this...

 

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5 minutes ago, LJB said:

if you understand the rules you would understand why this was a bad challenge...

who initiated the action?.

punia

was punia's momentum stopped?

no

was there a change in direction from the initial action?

no

this is 4 all day for punia... hump should have known that... everyone who knows free should know this...

 

Again, I have seen where Wright, Crutchmer, and Heflin all initiated action, but Downey came out on top.  Had Downey not wrapped the chest and 'initiated' that roll through, Punia's back would have never been exposed.  I respectfully disagree....as do a couple of hundred followers on Instagram. 

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1 minute ago, Blue Dragons said:

Again, I have seen where Wright, Crutchmer, and Heflin all initiated action, but Downey came out on top.  Had Downey not wrapped the chest and 'initiated' that roll through, Punia's back would have never been exposed.  I respectfully disagree....as do a couple of hundred followers on Instagram. 

first and foremost, looking to social media to help substantiate a point is a fool's errand...

look at this BBS for example...

so, answer these questions...

who initiated the action?

was momentum stopped?

was there a change in direction?

 

just answer them and we will continue after that...

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