AHamilton 673 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 55 minutes ago, LJB said: you are exactly right... bajrang is not "anyone in the world"... he is just the #1 ranked wrestler at 65 in the world... but, whatever... surely it was a fluke... regardless, yianni has beaten the #1 wrestler in the world (whatever the circumstances)... then goes to yasar dogu, his first international senior level tourney, and gets gold (whatever the circumstances)... he is without a doubt our only shot at a world medal at 65 right now... #1 ranked based on points. How many times has he won worlds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,661 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, AHamilton said: #1 ranked based on points. How many times has he won worlds? none... how many times has the kid who beat him won senior worlds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 673 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 56 minutes ago, LJB said: you are exactly right... bajrang is not "anyone in the world"... he is just the #1 ranked wrestler at 65 in the world... but, whatever... surely it was a fluke... regardless, yianni has beaten the #1 wrestler in the world (whatever the circumstances)... then goes to yasar dogu, his first international senior level tourney, and gets gold (whatever the circumstances)... he is without a doubt our only shot at a world medal at 65 right now... ... how can he be our only shot at a World medal when he can't even make the team? (and I would like to see him do so) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 753 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 #1 ranked based on points. How many times has he won worlds?I understand you're wanting to prove the point that "points are meaningless" however he was the World Silver Medalist, last year and has had a pretty stellar last 2 years Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 673 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 Just now, spladle08 said: 2 minutes ago, AHamilton said: #1 ranked based on points. How many times has he won worlds? I understand you're wanting to prove the point "that points are meaningless" however he was the World Silver Medalist, last year and has had a pretty stellar last 2 years No... I agree with you that he is a stud. I don't disagree that points are important. He is likely the second best wrestler in the world last year. But he has been very busy, whereas the Japanese gentleman has not been... thus the points. I just don't think you can call someone the "best in the world" unless they win the tournament at least once. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 753 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 Lol this argument is silly.I prefer Yainni to Zain because I feel he has more upside (I'll always see Zain as Metcalf) They both have a shot at a medal. But my gut says Yainni would medal more times than Metcalf Jr. (Who's style just doesnt lend itself to consistent success IMO) I'm hoping for a 3rd final X match. I'll cheer on wherever we send. Blah blah blah bring on Chamizo vs Burroughs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Dragons 50 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, LJB said: first and foremost, looking to social media to help substantiate a point is a fool's errand... look at this BBS for example... so, answer these questions... who initiated the action? was momentum stopped? was there a change in direction? just answer them and we will continue after that... I don't need to answer them. I could post three videos of Wright, Crutchmer and Heflin where Downey was awarded points and all three of them violate your criteria Downey initiated the throw that exposed Punia's back and the momentum and change of direction criteria are bewildering criteria, to say the least. And, I'm not looking to social media for anything, but there are a lot of opinions and explanations there. All of them can't be completely void of knowing the rules. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 753 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 No... I agree with you that he is a stud. I don't disagree that points are important. He is likely the second best wrestler in the world last year. But he has been very busy, whereas the Japanese gentleman has not been... thus the points. I just don't think you can call someone the "best in the world" unless they win the tournament at least once.Oh roger that, I havent been keeping up with the back and forth, I just glanced and figured it was something like "Zain has no chance and Yainni is 80%".... Which is silly. Yianni was in danger of being teched multiple times vs Musakaev who I wouldnt expect to medal... the weight is deep and either guy will need a solid draw and probably a sexy upset to medal. The finals (for me) seem like an almost impossible thought for either of them... but given a really fortunate draw and the perfect match vs an elite opponent... lightening could strike. It's just a deep as$ weight and you'll likely have to beat 2+ hammers to have a chance at beating a 3rd in the finals. Seems unreasonable . 1 AHamilton reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 412 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Blue Dragons said: I don't need to answer them. I could post three videos of Wright, Crutchmer and Heflin where Downey was awarded points and all three of them violate your criteria Downey initiated the throw that exposed Punia's back and the momentum and change of direction criteria are bewildering criteria, to say the least. And, I'm not looking to social media for anything, but there are a lot of opinions and explanations there. All of them can't be completely void of knowing the rules. not to rain on parades... but those matches were in the USA, reffed by USA people... 1 AHamilton reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 673 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, spladle08 said: Oh roger that, I havent been keeping up with the back and forth, I just glanced and figured it was something like "Zain has no chance and Yainni is 80%".... Which is silly. Yianni was in danger of being teched multiple times vs Musakaev who I wouldnt expect to medal... the weight is deep and either guy will need a solid draw and probably a sexy upset to medal. The finals (for me) seem like an almost impossible thought for either of them... but given a really fortunate draw and the perfect match vs an elite opponent... lightening could strike. It's just a deep as$ weight and you'll likely have to beat 2+ hammers to have a chance at beating a 3rd in the finals. Seems unreasonable . OK. Thanks for being rational. I also am a big time Yianni supporter, but do not think he has yet demonstrated infallibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 412 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 man the waters cold yeah, and it's deep too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,661 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, Blue Dragons said: I don't need to answer them. I could post three videos of Wright, Crutchmer and Heflin where Downey was awarded points and all three of them violate your criteria Downey initiated the throw that exposed Punia's back and the momentum and change of direction criteria are bewildering criteria, to say the least. And, I'm not looking to social media for anything, but there are a lot of opinions and explanations there. All of them can't be completely void of knowing the rules. i missed this because of nerd's silliness... anyway... just answer the questions and we will go from there... because those questions are the questions that officials are looking at... which is all that really matters... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrewWrestling 27 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, LJB said: YOU'RE MY BOY BLUE!!! thanks for editing and posting the vid to prove my point... LJB that was definitely points for Downey, maybe it was points for Punia as well but no doubt Downey scored on that exchange... Edited July 14, 2019 by CrewWrestling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krazzy 13 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 Yanni can beat anyone in the world at 65? Please.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 807 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, CrewWrestling said: LJB that was definitely points for Downey, maybe it was points for Punia as well but no doubt Downey scored on that exchange... Punia was about to score on Downey, so Downey grabbed Punia and rolled without either stopping Punia's momentum or changing his direction. As I understand the rules, that should not be points for Downey. Edited July 14, 2019 by Katie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alliseeisgold 80 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 bo nickal would of beat punia. CAEL lol; what a brilliant wrestling mind. Most perplexing wrestling decision ever. Same with nolf. He could of won a match Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,666 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) Carl and his weight selections for his wrestlers seems to begin and end at ncaa level. Do they even care about freestyle? Edited July 14, 2019 by scribe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin 1,459 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 Yianni.....go to World! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin 1,459 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 4 hours ago, krazzy said: Yanni can beat anyone in the world at 65? Please.... we'll see at World. Many wrestlers dont know him so well. It was like in 2018 with Otoguro. 1 krazzy reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
