cangemi 221 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 The way J den dominating. Can't stop from thinking Nickal was more competitive then any of them he wrestled. Nickal Weighed in 10 lbs less. Lot people saying Nickal will be MMA . I have to think at 190 he's in the hunt for 2020 Olympics year away. Taylor, JDen, Nickal lot of depth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTC 58 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 Might as well give him the silver right now then 1 trendkillgts reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scramble 153 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 I think we have several weights where our #2 could be a medal threat. I think BO is one of them. 1 AZ_wrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misanthrope 23 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 Would love to see him go down and take out Downey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cradle1 239 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 7 hours ago, cangemi said: The way J den dominating. Can't stop from thinking Nickal was more competitive then any of them he wrestled. Nickal Weighed in 10 lbs less. Lot people saying Nickal will be MMA . I have to think at 190 he's in the hunt for 2020 Olympics year away. Taylor, JDen, Nickal lot of depth Throw in ringer, who damn well could be a world champ by then. Now imagine that Dake decides to go 189... could be four world champs in one weight. Plus zahid, hall, and Nickal. 1 cangemi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 570 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, Cradle1 said: Throw in ringer, who damn well could be a world champ by then. Now imagine that Dake decides to go 189... could be four world champs in one weight. Plus zahid, hall, and Nickal. I agree with pretty much everything everybody here said and I know you were waiting on my approval. However, in Bo's case, he's not beating David Taylor or Jden Cox. I do think if Jden were to cut to 86 Bo has a small chance because it's a huge cut for Cox. He's obviously not going to beatCox or Kyle up at 97 and in non-olympic years he's also got no shot at beating Cox at 92. After watching everybody that was in Turkey, I think Jden looks like the best pound-for-pound wrestler in America. 1 Nicky_Pipes reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,148 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 8 hours ago, scramble said: I think we have several weights where our #2 could be a medal threat. I think BO is one of them. At 86 maybe. No way Bo can give up that much weight and strength at the world level. Even Sadulaev struggled with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cangemi 221 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 I agree with everything about JDen. Look like are best American wrester.That said Your not same wrester after 20 lbs lower. Bo was completely out horsed. 20 lbs lower after cut??? Still would go In mho JDen, Taylor, Bo With all having chance outside chance or not. When people post no chance. I think with these three who I believe all 3 are special , pretty foolish say no chance. Make me actually hate the Olympic weights even more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 403 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, cangemi said: Make me actually hate the Olympic weights even more. i have hated them since they whittled them down even before, i know conspiracy theories are frowned on, but it almost seemed they were out to get Mc and kolat when they changed them the first time this century Edited July 14, 2019 by GockeS 1 cangemi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 655 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 I agree with everything about JDen. Look like are best American wrester.That said Your not same wrester after 20 lbs lower. Bo was completely out horsed. 20 lbs lower after cut??? Still would go In mho JDen, Taylor, Bo With all having chance outside chance or not. When people post no chance. I think with these three who I believe all 3 are special , pretty foolish say no chance. Make me actually hate the Olympic weights even more. It's only 6 kg which is about 13 lbs fyi. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cangemi 221 Report post Posted July 14, 2019 Thank you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chet 31 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) DT has got to be irate with all the fantasy cred that Bo is getting. Not only is he being considered a medal contender, but he also has to be in consideration for top 5 pound-for-pound MMA fighters. We might as well already throw him in the discussion for most dominate performance at the Spanish Grand Prix. Edited July 15, 2019 by Chet Spelling error. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 905 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 When Bo wins U23's, we will have a pretty good idea that Bo knows wrestling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,655 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Chet said: DT has got to be irate with all the fantasy cred that Bo is getting. Not only is he being considered a medal contender, but he also has to be in consideration for top 5 pound-for-pound MMA fighters. We might as well already throw him in the discussion for most dominate performance at the Spanish Grand Prix. Bo is the new Pico. He just wins at fantasy matchups. 1 cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 655 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 When Bo wins U23's, we will have a pretty good idea that Bo knows wrestling. It's a glorified JV tournament. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk 1 CA_Wrestler reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 322 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, cjc007 said: It's a glorified JV tournament. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk That's a poor way of putting it in my mind. I never looked at Espoir's as a JV tournament, I never looked at Fargo as a JV tournament.....or Flo Nationals, or any of those...the all-time greats all went thru these tournaments on their way to greatness, and the competition in them is far better than a JV tournament. I still think back, as an example....Junior Nationals....Alan Fried (Lakewood St. Edwards), freshman year.....Had Tom and Terry Brands, as well as Lincoln McIlravy in his POOL, and won his first junior national title....JV tournament???? Not in my mind...just my take. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 655 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 That's a poor way of putting it in my mind. I never looked at Espoir's as a JV tournament, I never looked at Fargo as a JV tournament.....or Flo Nationals, or any of those...the all-time greats all went thru these tournaments on their way to greatness, and the competition in them is far better than a JV tournament. I still think back, as an example....Junior Nationals....Alan Fried (Lakewood St. Edwards), freshman year.....Had Tom and Terry Brands, as well as Lincoln McIlravy in his POOL, and won his first junior national title....JV tournament???? Not in my mind...just my take.I'm glad they have U23's, but let's be honest. It's not that big of a deal domestically or internationally. It's an age group tournament for guys like Bo Nickal and Richie Lewis who can't break through on the Senior Level. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk 1 CA_Wrestler reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle26 442 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 Yeah U23 just seems pointless to me. A lot of guys are in their prime at 23 and think of how many senior champs there have been younger than that. I don’t think they should do anything past U18 or maybe U20. If they do, just make it second string for all ages. Why exclude someone like Ringer who’s not much older and is only not on the world team because of ridiculously good people at his weight 1 cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 905 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 I think, over time, U23's could become more and more important. For many countries, including ourselves, across a handful of weight classes, the 2nd best at the weight has a very good chance at being U23 eligible. This then gives these wrestlers fantastic international experience that they would have not otherwise gained, sitting on the "bench". Sure, they're National Team Members (in the case of Bo Nickal), but folks like Kollin Moore benefited greatly from his Junior and U23 experiences (in my opinion). But anyway, there's always someone willing to complain. Ironic that this time it's "too much wrestling" and the "quality isn't good". Meh... whatevs... 2 fadzaev2 and spladle08 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwkeller 13 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 U23 allows one to wrestle. From that perspective it is important. You get to explore your skills against those you may meet in the future. For US wrestlers transitioning into Freestyle a needed platform. 1 fadzaev2 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 939 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 5 hours ago, cjc007 said: It's a glorified JV tournament. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk I think that's a pretty foolish/narrow view. There's real talent at this tournament. There are many more quality champs than there are Richie Lewis'. What better way to simulate a world championship? Here are some of the guys that competed in U23's last year: Idrisov -- wins U23's last year, wins Russian nationals this year. Rei Higuchi -- doesn't need an introduction. David Baev -- 2nd at U23's last year, wins Russian nationals this year. Salkazanov -- just took 3rd at Dogu. A. Kentchadze -- senior world silver, plenty of other senior level accomplishments. N. Kentchadze -- senior Euro bronze. Ghasempour -- senior Asian champ, now ranked top 5 in the world. Naifonov -- senior Euro champ. Plenty of senior level accomplishments. Russian nationals champ. Suleymanov -- ranked top 10 at the senior level. Zubairov -- just took 3rd at Dogu. Matcharashvilli -- senior Euro silver. Gamidov -- Russian nationals runner-up. Shabani -- just teched Alborov and took Snyder down to the wire. Is Nickal too good for this tournament? Because every one of these guys is more credentialed than he is at this point. 5 MDogg, AZ_wrestling, fadzaev2 and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 655 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 I think that's a pretty foolish/narrow view. There's real talent at this tournament. There are many more quality champs than there are Richie Lewis'. What better way to simulate a world championship? Here are some of the guys that competed in U23's last year: Idrisov -- wins U23's last year, wins Russian nationals this year. Rei Higuchi -- doesn't need an introduction. David Baev -- 2nd at U23's last year, wins Russian nationals this year. Salkazanov -- just took 3rd at Dogu. A. Kentchadze -- senior world silver, plenty of other senior level accomplishments. N. Kentchadze -- senior Euro bronze. Ghasempour -- senior Asian champ, now ranked top 5 in the world. Naifonov -- senior Euro champ. Plenty of senior level accomplishments. Russian nationals champ. Suleymanov -- ranked top 10 at the senior level. Zubairov -- just took 3rd at Dogu. Matcharashvilli -- senior Euro silver. Gamidov -- Russian nationals runner-up. Shabani -- just teched Alborov and took Snyder down to the wire. Is Nickal too good for this tournament? Because every one of these guys is more credentialed than he is at this point. Nickal isn't too good for this tournament. It fits him well because after all he's JV on the US Team. It will be good for him. Maybe he could go 97, because he is better than Saduleav and Snyder per the psu fans. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 738 Report post Posted July 15, 2019 I haven't read this whole thread, but as some have alluded to... I wouldn't favor Nickal to win this at all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 322 Report post Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, cjc007 said: Nickal isn't too good for this tournament. It fits him well because after all he's JV on the US Team. It will be good for him. Maybe he could go 97, because he is better than Saduleav and Snyder per the psu fans. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk To me, he's not JV on the U.S. team, he's the no. 2 man on the U.S. "ladder". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HokieHWT 587 Report post Posted July 16, 2019 46 minutes ago, fadzaev2 said: To me, he's not JV on the U.S. team, he's the no. 2 man on the U.S. "ladder". Just like in college he benefits from having no competition in his weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites