Can you blame people for having a hard time supporting this guy?

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18 minutes ago, russelscout said:

Not everything needs to be a gotchya moment. I said that, because multiple people have said its not bad for him, but I really only ever see what is on Insta. I thought that was relevant.

You could also just admit I was right and that the communist part is the only part that triggered you. 

 

Im not a PD3 fan and I have trashed him on many occasions. But this is nothing different than anything he posts. What exactly was so divisive? 

"Dropped a tough one in India today. There was a pivotal 4 pt exchange that didn't get scored in my favor. Living and dying by big moves can be costly, especially overseas. But that is not excusable to justify a loss"

Is there anything divisive about that? Doesn't seem like it, lets continue on... 

"My entire life I have continued to get better and bounce back and thats exactly what I'm going to do". 

Again, nothing divisive. Plenty of misspellings and horrible grammar that makes him look like a fool, but nothing divisive. 

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and communists, keep that same energy."

Ding DIng Ding. Think we found the part that you call "divisive". Now, not only has be posted about haters and trolls hundreds of times, even on IG. But so have many major athletes and wrestlers. Burroughs has posted about "haters" plenty of times, as has Ben Askren.  

He then goes on to thank his supporters and post 50 dumb hashtags. But the fact remains, if he made that same post without the word "communist" in it, you don't post this thread whining about it. 

Edited July 14, 2019 by jsmalls131313

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19 minutes ago, jsmalls131313 said:

He always butchers the English language, the guy is clearly not a brain surgeon. And he refers "to his haters" like a fool in plenty of his posts. The reason you are so butt hurt by this is b/c he included "communists". And seeing as you spent about 8 hours of your day responding to every single post in a thread pointing to the positive side of socialism, that partof his post struck you to your core. And you aren't fooling anyone. 

.... pretty sure, I spent one evening talking about @GockeS misunderstanding of what socialism is. The reason I did that was because he was throwing that word around, tying it to anything he didnt like,  and it was clear he didnt know what he was talking about. I said nothing about communism that evening, but you cannot separate the two bc you clearly dont understand it either.

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4 minutes ago, jsmalls131313 said:

You could also just admit I was right and that the communist part is the only part that triggered you. 

Yup that was it. It was the only reason I am bothered by PD3. 

 

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1 minute ago, russelscout said:

.... pretty sure, I spent one evening talking about @GockeS misunderstanding of what socialism is. The reason I did that was because he was throwing that word around, tying it to anything he didnt like,  and it was clear he didnt know what he was talking about. I said nothing about communism that evening, but you cannot separate the two bc you clearly dont understand it either.

You manically responded to every post on the thread, defending socialism like your life was on the line. 

The same groups, like Antifa that are constantly trying to force socialism down our throats also get very defensive when people mention Communists b/c they are aware many people lump them into the same category. That is the exact reason you are triggered. You know this but won't admit it and refuse to point to any other part of the post that was divisive enough for this post. Because you can't. 

[Katie 628]

17 minutes ago, jsmalls131313 said:

You could also just admit I was right and that the communist part is the only part that triggered you. 

 

Im not a PD3 fan and I have trashed him on many occasions. But this is nothing different than anything he posts. What exactly was so divisive? 

"Dropped a tough one in India today. There was a pivotal 4 pt exchange that didn't get scored in my favor. Living and dying by big moves can be costly, especially overseas. But that is not excusable to justify a loss"

Is there anything divisive about that? Doesn't seem like it, lets continue on... 

"My entire life I have continued to get better and bounce back and thats exactly what I'm going to do". 

Again, nothing divisive. Plenty of misspellings and horrible grammar that makes him look like a fool, but nothing divisive. 

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and communists, keep that same energy."

Ding DIng Ding. Think we found the part that you call "divisive". Now, not only has be posted about haters and trolls hundreds of times, even on IG. But so have many major athletes and wrestlers. Burroughs has posted about "haters" plenty of times, as has Ben Askren.  

He then goes on to thank his supporters and post 50 dumb hashtags. But the fact remains, if he made that same post without the word "communist" in it, you don't post this thread whining about it. 

I don’t know much about PD3 and I don’t care what his politics are. 

But I can tell you that a lot of people will feel that that post comes off as confrontational, aggressive, and unpleasant.

And it’s too bad because we are all looking for reasons to cheer for our world team members. 

Edited July 14, 2019 by Katie

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3 minutes ago, jsmalls131313 said:

You manically responded to every post on the thread, defending socialism like your life was on the line. 

The same groups, like Antifa that are constantly trying to force socialism down our throats also get very defensive when people mention Communists b/c they are aware many people lump them into the same category. That is the exact reason you are triggered. You know this but won't admit it and refuse to point to any other part of the post that was divisive enough for this post. Because you can't. 

Ok dude. I admit it. I'm a communist.

Edited July 14, 2019 by russelscout

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Just now, russelscout said:

Ok dude. I admit it. I'm a radical.

I appreciate your admission. Despite the fact that I really left you with no other choice since you can't actually point to any other part of the post that you find "divisive"

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5 minutes ago, jsmalls131313 said:

I appreciate your admission. Despite the fact that I really left you with no other choice since you can't actually point to any other part of the post that you find "divisive"

"To all the haters, trolls, naysayers, and communists... KEEPS YALLS SAME ENERGY" 

Omit or switch out communists for anything else and it's still divisive. 

di·vi·sive

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adjective

1. tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.

    

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13 minutes ago, jsmalls131313 said:

I appreciate your admission. Despite the fact that I really left you with no other choice since you can't actually point to any other part of the post that you find "divisive"

Still will say though, even as a communist(not sure what we settled her) it's not hard to see, PD3 will likely be a giant whole in our lineup, lucky to win a match at worlds, while being the most boisterous. Team USA should have given Bo a chance.

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1 minute ago, russelscout said:

"To all the haters, trolls, naysayers, and communists... KEEPS YALLS SAME ENERGY" 

Omit or switch out communists for anything else and it's still divisive. 

di·vi·sive

/dəˈvīsiv/

adjective

1. tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.

    

So you're trying to tell me that saying "To all the haters, trolls and naysayers... Keep that same energy" is so divisive it makes it hard to support him? B/c that is a pretty cliche, benign line used by many athletes including Jordan Burroughs. 

 

There are plenty of reasons to hate PD3. But being offended by "Keep that same energy" just seems insane. 

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Just now, jsmalls131313 said:

So you're trying to tell me that saying "To all the haters, trolls and naysayers... Keep that same energy" is so divisive it makes it hard to support him? B/c that is a pretty cliche, benign line used by many athletes including Jordan Burroughs. 

 

There are plenty of reasons to hate PD3. But being offended by "Keep that same energy" just seems insane. 

Ya Jsmalls. That's why I said all those other reasons....who is really the one focused on communism?

[Katie 628]

20 minutes ago, jsmalls131313 said:

I appreciate your admission. Despite the fact that I really left you with no other choice since you can't actually point to any other part of the post that you find "divisive"

Let's go through the post, shall we?

1. He begins by calling out foreign officials. It may or may not be justified at this point in UWW's history, but for a person casually reading an instagram post, it comes off as abrasive and aggressive.
2. Then he writes: "to the haters, trolls, naysayers & communists.. KEEP YALLS SAME ENERGY" Again, for a person unfamiliar with his personal quarrels, it simply comes off as abrasive and aggressive. (And like I said before, I actually wondered whether he was suffering from psychosis.)
3. Then he writes: "if you're not with ME when I'm down, iont wantchu when I'm UP." As someone who is generally unfamiliar with Downey, this does not feel like he wants my support. It feels like he has already taken an oppositional stance toward me.

Even if you don't think this post comes off poorly, I can tell you lots of other people will.

Edited July 14, 2019 by Katie

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6 minutes ago, russelscout said:

Still will say though, even as a communist(not sure what we settled her) it's not hard to see, PD3 will likely be a giant whole in our lineup, lucky to win a match at worlds, while being the most boisterous. Team USA should have given Bo a chance.

I believe the word you're looking for is "hole". Which is a mistake I would never point out had I not seen you call other people "stupid" on here. And no, thats not a "typo". 

 

I agree its a huge hole. Zero chance Bo wouldn't mop the floor with him. I get it, I don't like him. But I am not going to bend over backwards, like Katie and yourself to pretend this is divisive, offensive or an attack on referees. PD3 being a douche doesn't change the fact that this post is rather benign. But people will get upset by anything these days. 

Edited July 14, 2019 by jsmalls131313

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Just now, jsmalls131313 said:

I believe the word you're looking for is "hole". Which is a mistake I would never point had I not seen you call other people "stupid" on here. And no, thats not a "typo". 

 

I agree its a huge hole. Zero chance Bo wouldn't mop the floor with him. I get it, I don't like him. But I am not going to bend over backwards, like Katie and yourself to pretend this is divisive, offensive or an attack on referees. PD3 being a douche doesn't change the fact that this post is rather benign. But people will get upset by anything these days. 

You got me on spelling... you win the internet. 

Benign or not, he comes off as a tool. I'm not upset or outraged. I just dont like him, and people say "you have to support team USA", its awfully hard to support everyone when someone either is or sells themself as a punk.

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3 minutes ago, russelscout said:

You got me on spelling... you win the internet. 

Benign or not,  I just dont like him, and people say "you have to support team USA", its awfully hard to support everyone when someone either is or sells themself as a punk.

I get it, believe me. All I am saying is wait till he does something actually worthy of criticism. I'm sure you won't have to wait too long. 

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You dotn hvae to eb a godo spellre to gte an idae accrsso but it sure helps.

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46 minutes ago, Katie said:

Let's go through the post, shall we?

1. He begins by calling out foreign officials. It may or may not be justified at this point in UWW's history, but for a person casually reading an instagram post, it comes off as abrasive and aggressive.
2. Then he writes: "to the haters, trolls, naysayers & communists.. KEEP YALLS SAME ENERGY" Again, for a person unfamiliar with his personal quarrels, it simply comes off as abrasive and aggressive. (And like I said before, I actually wondered whether he was suffering from psychosis.)
3. Then he writes: "if you're not with ME when I'm down, iont wantchu when I'm UP." As someone who is generally unfamiliar with Downey, this does not feel like he wants my support. It feels like he has already taken an oppositional stance toward me.

Even if you don't think this post comes off poorly, I can tell you lots of other people will.

Is this a serious post?

1.  Saying something “did not get called in his favor” is calling out foreign officials???  Good lord.  Curious how you feel about Kyle Dake saying something was  “the worst call of all-time” on ESPN during NCAA’s?

2.  Sure, this is somewhat aggressive towards his “haters” but I think it’s understandable, he does have a lot of them.  I mean people wanted USA wrestling to change the rules for a chance of him not being the rep.  So considering that as well as the fact that “the hate” apparently fuels him (although admittedly he might need some more motivation to improve his performance), I don’t have a problem with this.

3.  Not really following your logic here.  I don’t think he’s saying that at all, I think he’s still talking to “the haters.”   I don’t see why he wouldn’t welcome the support of people who previously had no idea who he was.

Admittedly, he does seem a bit contradictory by calling out people for not supporting him/(America), but then says he doesn’t want their support anyway.

 

 

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2 hours ago, jsmalls131313 said:

 

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13 Small brains, you obviously have not traveled enough or lived anywhere except your momma's basement which leads to your insecurity. 

We understand... we have see it before (BTW--are you the new LI Marty?)

Aside from that, you go on and on resembling the shrill of Joseph McCarthy about socialism, communism, etc... something you clearly know nothing about. 

But sir, you are missing the point.  

The reason people found this "communist" quote by BUN BOY to be so odd is for one reason, and one only... and that is because it is simply ignorant and not based in any reality.

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and communists, keep that same energy."

0-2 BUN BOY has no idea what communist are... and they sure aren't out to get him.

Let's just say, instead of the mythical "communists".... he said:

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and Jackalopes, keep that same energy."

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and Sasquatch, keep that same energy."

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and Satori, keep that same energy."

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and Leprechauns, keep that same energy."

There is no difference.

The Easter Bunny, Cyclopes and Communists are not after him... or anyone.  

So McCarthy-guy... keep up the good work... take your meds... make sure those RED commies are not under your bed... and move along.

You embrace BUN BOY all you wish. 

I prefer Yanni, Cox, and thousands of others who don't embarrass themselves and fellow Americans by showing how uninformed, inexperienced, and culturally/historically illiterate they are. 

So 13 Small, remember--> "It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it."

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1 minute ago, leshismore said:

13 Small brains, you obviously have not traveled enough or lived anywhere except your momma's basement which leads to your insecurity. 

We understand... we have see it before (BTW--are you the new LI Marty?)

Aside from that, you go on and on resembling the shrill of Joseph McCarthy about socialism, communism, etc... something you clearly know nothing about. 

But sir, you are missing the point.  

The reason people found this "communist" quote by BUN BOY to be so odd is for one reason, and one only... and that is because it is simply ignorant and not based in any reality.

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and communists, keep that same energy."

0-2 BUN BOY has no idea what communist are... and they sure aren't out to get him.

Let's just say, instead of the mythical "communists".... he said:

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and Jackalopes, keep that same energy."

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and Sasquatch, keep that same energy."

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and Satori, keep that same energy."

"To the haters, trolls, naysayers and Leprechauns, keep that same energy."

There is no difference.

The Easter Bunny, Cyclopes and Communists are not after him... or anyone.  

So McCarthy-guy... keep up the good work... take your meds... make sure those RED commies are not under your bed... and move along.

You embrace BUN BOY all you wish. 

I prefer Yanni, Cox, and thousands of others who don't embarrass themselves and fellow Americans by showing how uninformed, inexperienced, and culturally/historically illiterate they are. 

So 13 Small, remember--> "It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it."

As much as I enjoy watching your meltdown, if "keep that same energy" triggers you, you might be a little too sensitive for the real world. 

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3 hours ago, jsmalls131313 said:

B/c he is a far left socialist that gets very emotional about it and he feels like a slight against communism is a slight against himself. As is the trend of people with those views these days. There, you've been enlightened. 

Lol, as a "far left socialist," the communist part of the post is the best part! Completely out of left field and has nothing to do with anything. It's almost a parody of a typical American's association of "something I don't like=communist." I've heard multiple people unironically call Jeff Bezos, the richest man in history and founder of one of the largest corporations in history, a communist because he said something critical of Trump. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for that kind of thinking because it's so essentially American. Reminds me of home.

[Katie 628]

17 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Is this a serious post?

1.  Saying something “did not get called in his favor” is calling out foreign officials???  Good lord.  Curious how you feel about Kyle Dake saying something was  “the worst call of all-time” on ESPN during NCAA’s?

2.  Sure, this is somewhat aggressive towards his “haters” but I think it’s understandable, he does have a lot of them.  I mean people wanted USA wrestling to change the rules for a chance of him not being the rep.  So considering that as well as the fact that “the hate” apparently fuels him (although admittedly he might need some more motivation to improve his performance), I don’t have a problem with this.

3.  Not really following your logic here.  I don’t think he’s saying that at all, I think he’s still talking to “the haters.”   I don’t see why he wouldn’t welcome the support of people who previously had no idea who he was.

Admittedly, he does seem a bit contradictory by calling out people for not supporting him/(America), but then says he doesn’t want their support anyway.

 

 

As for the criticism of foreign officials. I was referring to his statement that “living & dying by big moves can be costly, especially overseas.” That statement expresses a resentment toward foreign officials that will off-putting to a lot people who are just casually reading his post (whether his resentment is justified or not). Just the way it is.

But my bottom line point is that a lot of people will find his post to be unpleasant. If you think the post is benign or even inspiring, that’s completely fine. I’m just commenting on how plenty of other people will feel about it. 

And with that I’m leaving this thread. 

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And children will shout at each other, " You're a big, dummy" or "You're a silly cupcake." Then you grow "up" and it's communist, queer, idiot, socialist; all for a few seconds of getting-even-gratification and gotcha. 

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9 minutes ago, Katie said:

As for the criticism of foreign officials. I was referring to his statement that “living & dying by big moves can be costly, especially overseas.” That statement expresses a resentment toward foreign officials that will off-putting to a lot people who are just casually reading his post (whether his resentment is justified or not). Just the way it is.

It will literally only be off putting to people who already have a negative view of Downey. A lot of people in all sports, are critical of officials, its not a big deal, and what he said is factual, if you live and die by the big move, it can, in fact, be costly.

Edited July 14, 2019 by Molsen

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1 hour ago, russelscout said:

.... pretty sure, I spent one evening talking about @GockeS misunderstanding of what socialism is. The reason I did that was because he was throwing that word around, tying it to anything he didnt like,  and it was clear he didnt know what he was talking about. I said nothing about communism that evening, but you cannot separate the two bc you clearly dont understand it either.

are you saying that in socialism land there isn't a place for people like downey?

how wonderfully bigotted of you