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10 minutes ago, spladle08 said:

Yeah after Jr. Worlds definitely said he doesn't like freestyle and prefers folk then I think after NCAAs he said something about not wanting to do freestyle I'll find the exacts. Definitely surprising as his game is made for freestyle, but he likes what he likes.

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He plans to make a run in 2020

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I was just thinking about Nashon Garrett. I think he has a realistic shot at winning the 57kg spot. 

He was planning on going 57 this year. He has always had the speed, timing, and finishing ability to be a threat. His weaknesses were freestyle savviness and defense and he was improving in both areas prior to injury. 

I wouldn’t pick him to win the spot right now, but would it really be shocking if he winced any of these head to head?

Fix 

Gilman

Lee

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I’d like to see Franklin Gomez make some noise in Tokyo. He looked pretty good against JB at Pan Ams this year, and maybe that was the spark he needed to elevate his wrestling. He probably won’t try out for the US team though, and idk if PR even has or will have the weight qualified for 2020. Might be the last time we see Gomez compete at the senior level as I think he’s getting up there in age.

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1 minute ago, pamela said:

I’d like to see Franklin Gomez make some noise in Tokyo. He looked pretty good against JB at Pan Ams this year, and maybe that was the spark he needed to elevate his wrestling. He probably won’t try out for the US team though, and idk if PR even has or will have the weight qualified for 2020. Might be the last time we see Gomez compete at the senior level as I think he’s getting up there in age.

I’ve always liked the guy. I root for him against anyone but the American rep. I hope he goes out with a medal in 2020, but it is fairly unlikely. The weight will be stacked next year, he is a bit undersized and won’t have seeding points (assuming they use that for the Olympics? Not sure). 

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1 minute ago, pamela said:

I’d like to see Franklin Gomez make some noise in Tokyo. He looked pretty good against JB at Pan Ams this year, and maybe that was the spark he needed to elevate his wrestling. He probably won’t try out for the US team though, and idk if PR even has or will have the weight qualified for 2020. Might be the last time we see Gomez compete at the senior level as I think he’s getting up there in age.

He can qualify the weight himself if he makes top 6 in September.  Not impossible, but it's a long shot.  If he doesn't make that, he better hope Burroughs medals this year.  Otherwise he's on the outside looking in at the Pan Am qualifier in April.  

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On 7/17/2019 at 5:27 PM, rpm002 said:

The 2016 dark horses (Frank and Dennis) were not people unknown to freestyle, but rather people who were always right there but were overlooked because they never had their big breakthrough.  Candidates along those lines for 2020:

 

Nico - He is the best equipped of the 61 guys to go down to 57 and I think he’s improved quite a bit over the past couple of years

Frank - Kind of the forgotten man at 65kg, but his win over Oliver for 3rd makes me think another run is possible

Ness - It is all matchups with him, but doesn’t seem impossible 

 

(I know the lower weights the best, but I also think that’s where dark horses are most likely to prevail, as they did in 2016)

 

I think this is pretty accurate... if we have a dark horse it will most likely be in the lower weights. 74, 86, 97 will all have a super star. 125 could potentially have a dark horse break through but I doubt it. So it will probably be at 57 or 65. I also like the definition of dark horse as someone nobody is talking about making the team. That eliminates spencer Lee. Nico and Molinaro are good picks in my opinion, but I think Ness is just too much of a long shot. I could see him upsetting any one of the top guys there, but not all of them. If I had to pick one dark horse I think I would take Molinaro. He showed he steps it up for the Olympics in the past and after so narrowly missing out on a medal, I think he has that extra motivation 

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On 7/17/2019 at 5:42 PM, mspart said:

Remember in 2000 OTT's where Brands had to fight a virtually unknown Kerry Boumans?  I hadn't heard of him and he came close to wining the spot. 

It could happen in 2020, but we have an awful lot of really really good people going for the few spots.  Some spots will have multiple World Champs trying to get them.  Tough to see this OTT having a dark horse.  But you never know.

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2000 also had that Slay guy. Boumans was a larger unknown but Slay was not on anybody's radar to make the team prior to US National event that year.   

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2 hours ago, misterc said:

Anyone have NaTo as a dark horse at 57.  I know Gilman tech'd him at the Open but I also hear he hasn't been 100%.  He seems like a guy that may always be in the mix but likely not break through.

Yeah I mean he was "right there" 3 years ago but injures, lack of activity, so on and so fourth, I personally don't think he is a consistent top 4 at the weight anymore, so if he wins, it'll definitely qualify as a "dark horse" performance for me... but I think his "serious contender" days have come to an end.

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17 minutes ago, KTG119 said:

2000 also had that Slay guy. Boumans was a larger unknown but Slay was not on anybody's radar to make the team prior to US National event that year.   

Don't know why I thought he was on the '96 team, I'm steady looking at old Olympic results now. Thanks

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24 minutes ago, spladle08 said:

Yeah I mean he was "right there" 3 years ago but injures, lack of activity, so on and so fourth, I personally don't think he is a consistent top 4 at the weight anymore, so if he wins, it'll definitely qualify as a "dark horse" performance for me... but I think his "serious contender" days have come to an end.

Valid points, but that could also be why he is a dark horse contender. 

At his best he can beat any of our best guys. He has a win over Lee and a win over Gilman. Both were in folk though. 

He is 0-2 bs Fix in freestyle, but they were competitive. We know he can at least take down Fix. 

If he can regain his old form and improve just a bit, he could do this. In my mind it is similar to Molinaro making the 2016 team. At the time it seemed impossible but in hindsight, Molinaro was right there with everyone. He had just never beaten them consecutively 

I hope he is healthy in 2020. At the very least he will be fun to watch at trials

im kind of bias. I’m a big fan of NATos 

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6 hours ago, spladle08 said:

Yeah after Jr. Worlds definitely said he doesn't like freestyle and prefers folk then I think after NCAAs he said something about not wanting to do freestyle I'll find the exacts. Definitely surprising as his game is made for freestyle, but he likes what he likes.

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Yeah he speaks on it a little after NCAAs here. Seems like he's not as motivated by free as he is with folk. Sounds like it’s growing on him though...Absolutely wild to think last year was his first in Freestyle and came away a jr world champ.

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17 hours ago, Jon_Kozak said:

Yeah he speaks on it a little after NCAAs here. Seems like he's not as motivated by free as he is with folk. Sounds like it’s growing on him though...Absolutely wild to think last year was his first in Freestyle and came away a jr world champ.

Dang, think of the possibilities if he loved FS!! Plus the audio was bad but i thought he was asked if he’s ready to take on JB. He smiled and said something like not yet but close. Impressive young man on and off the mat

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32 minutes ago, Creek chub said:

Dang, think of the possibilities if he loved FS!! Plus the audio was bad but i thought he was asked if he’s ready to take on JB. He smiled and said something like not yet but close. Impressive young man on and off the mat

I've always appreciated that about JB.  It seems he's always been willing to help sharpen the youngs guys to the point where they are ready to take him on. 

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On 7/19/2019 at 1:06 PM, KTG119 said:

2000 also had that Slay guy. Boumans was a larger unknown but Slay was not on anybody's radar to make the team prior to US National event that year.   

Oscar Wood (greco-roman) was another in 2004.  Was always around but never made it to the top, that year he beat the current guy Bracken who was pretty good himself.  Oscar was a kind of distant friend of my wife's family, knew my brother-in-law pretty well.  I went and spoke to him one time and he remembered, asked how he was, and all that.  Seemed like a pretty nice guy off the mat.  Anyway, there have been a few dark horses.

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27 minutes ago, Crash said:

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Any info, is he actually going to wrestle.
I think he would be about +50000 at most sportsbooks to medal. but would be great if he did!

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On 7/17/2019 at 5:27 PM, rpm002 said:

The 2016 dark horses (Frank and Dennis) were not people unknown to freestyle, but rather people who were always right there but were overlooked because they never had their big breakthrough.  Candidates along those lines for 2020:

 

Nico - He is the best equipped of the 61 guys to go down to 57 and I think he’s improved quite a bit over the past couple of years

Frank - Kind of the forgotten man at 65kg, but his win over Oliver for 3rd makes me think another run is possible

Ness - It is all matchups with him, but doesn’t seem impossible 

 

(I know the lower weights the best, but I also think that’s where dark hors

How quickly we forget...

Cox was the true dark horse in 2016.  Came in seeded 9th. Beat Foster,  mowed down 1 seed Herbert, beat Gavin, took 2\3 off Dake.

All before ever participating in an international event.  If memory serves, Cox had to get his passport expedited so he could head to Mongolia to qualify the weight.  His most significant freestyle experience prior was Fargo.  The early 2016 Cox would be considered a less experienced freestyler than the 2020 Lewis.

 

Obviously he didn't have to unseat a world champion as the upper weight hopefuls will have to... But J'Den demonstrates good reason to not limit the dark horse discussion to the lighter weights.  His consistency since the 2016 trials makes it easy to misremember how shocking his emergence truly was.

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How quickly we forget...
Cox was the true dark horse in 2016.  Came in seeded 9th. Beat Foster,  mowed down 1 seed Herbert, beat Gavin, took 2\3 off Dake.
All before ever participating in an international event.  If memory serves, Cox had to get his passport expedited so he could head to Mongolia to qualify the weight.  His most significant freestyle experience prior was Fargo.  The early 2016 Cox would be considered a less experienced freestyler than the 2020 Lewis.
 
Obviously he didn't have to unseat a world champion as the upper weight hopefuls will have to... But J'Den demonstrates good reason to not limit the dark horse discussion to the lighter weights.  His consistency since the 2016 trials makes it easy to misremember how shocking his emergence truly was.
Great reminder, good post!

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