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Day 1 Draws for Cadet Worlds (link)

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"Day 1 Bracket Breakdown:

Stevo Poulin (48kg)- First round match against Kazakhstan, who won silver at Cadet Asians this year. I think Stevo should go to the semis, where I would think the Iranian (who won Cadet Worlds last year) should win. Unfortunately for Stevo, his bronze match will probably be against the Georgian, who won Cadet Euros this year. Will have to pull an upset to win a medal.

Robbie Howard (55kg)- There are three returning Cadet World medalists at the weight, and they are all opposite Robbie. His first round match is against an Armenian who finished 5th last year at Cadets. If he wins that, he should move to the semis against maybe the Iranian, another 5th place finisher. This has the possibility of a good tourney for Robbie, and if he wins round 1 I'm pretty confident in him winning a medal.

Ryan Sokol (65kg)- A weak bracket in terms of guys with returning credentials, meaning Sokol has an opening here. His biggest worry in his quarter will be the Georgian, who won bronze at Cadet Euros this year. Wrestlers from Iran and Turkey would be the favorites to meet him in the semis, while the Russian is probably the favorite on the top.

Clayton Ulrey (80kg)- Ulrey is probably the guy I'm least confident in, but like Sokol his bracket isn't awesome. His 1st round opponent is from Azerbaijan, and won bronze at U15 Cadets last year. He would have the Russian in the quarters, a tough matchup for sure. However, the winner of the Russian's quarter may be the favorite, so Ulrey could get pulled back in should he lose there.

Hunter Catka (110kg)- I'm very excited to see Catka tomorrow, and think he has a shot at the finals. Russia, Iran, Bulgaria, and Azerbaijan are all on the opposite side of Catka, and his opponents haven't won much at the youth levels. If he is healthy and ready to go, he can make the finals tomorrow."

Morning update:

"Team USA puts 2/3 in the semis, with Stevo Poulin, Robbie Howard. 
- Stevo had a pretty easy 1st match with a 10-0 tech. His second match wasn't as close as the 8-7 score indicates, as 5 of his opponents points were on a nice move near the out of bounds and the last two were at the buzzer. Will have a tough task in the semis against the Iranian.
- Robbie Howard has looked great today and has won both matches 6-3. Looked great his first match against a returning Cadet 5th, and had a tactical win in the quarters which caused his opponent to elbow him. Like Poulin, he will have an Iranian in the semis, although I give Robbie a better chance at winning than Stevo.
- Ryan Sokol was overmatched his second match after winning his first match with ease. His loss to the Georgian took about a minute, and he was leg laced separate times. The Georgian is still alive in the quarters but I will be back asleep before he wrestles his match.
-Clayton Ulrey had two nice wins before running into a buzzsaw Russian in the quarters (losing 10-0). Had a great Hi-C working the first two matches, but it was well scouted by the Russian, and turned into a couple go-behinds for easy points. He has a nice chance at getting pulled back into repechage with a Russian win in the semis. 
- Hunter Catka ran into a large human from Turkey round one and lost 7-4. His opponent lost the next round, so he has been eliminated. A disappointing trip for sure."

Copied from  Yankeefan33.  Nice job.

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That write up is a pretty good description of the action. I thought Catka was as good as his opponent but he lost a close one to a guy who looked very big compared to him. Ulrey and Sokol both got a win and then got dominated in the next round. Howard has looked good, but not spectacular. Just very steady and in control. Stevo Poulin was clearly the aggressor and the better wrestler in that 8-7 match. He just got rolled thru on one of his shots and gave up 4, then 1 for a failed challenge. 

The Iranians Howard and Poulin will meet look real tough. If either win their match I will consider it will be an upset, but I give Howard a better chance. 

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Iran brought a squad to this tournament...

Howard has a tough semi against their returning cadet 44kg champ.  He should have the size advantage though. 

Pleasantly surprised by Poulin.  Ultra-lightweight hasn't historically been the toughest in cadets (probably because it's harder for 20 year olds to fake their weight than their age), but I didn't really know what to expect.  Looks like he will medal.  

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Poulin loses 12-0. His opponent was just too polished for him. They could wrestle a bunch of times and I think the Iranian would always win.

Howard lost 8-6. Robbie had 3 TD's to 2 advantage, but he gave up a turn and 2 step outs. He had the opponent on his back in the closing seconds but time ran out. 

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Poulin got crushed.  I had my weights mixed up and the kid he lost to is actually the returning champ from 44kg--anyway, there was a gulf in class between the two.  Look out for that kid in the future.  

Tough loss for Robbie.  Hopefully he can refocus and bring back bronze--don't want him to go 0 for 3, and we need the points. 

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cadets are weird, you see some guys like verklereen who can't crack a college starting lineup win

And then you are reminded how good the world is on days like these

Regardless, our cadet pipeline isn't looking like it will bring senior level medals from this group. I don't see any stevensons, yiannis, fixes, etc.  If Robbie Howard is one of our best we are sending that's not a good thing, I don't see him ever touching a world team senior level. 

 

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37 minutes ago, CoachWrestling said:

Would this be considered a disappointing result for America? 

Depends on your perspective.  We've got 3 guys still wrestling for a medal.  There's a good chance we come away with only 1 (Robbie), and maybe none.  

Over the past 5 years, since our run of Cadet success at the world level really kicked off in 2014, we've averaged nearly 3 champs, 4 finalists, and 6 medalists per year. We don't look to be on pace to hit any of those benchmarks at this point.  Still, I would say it's not a disappointment just yet.  

There are 5 more weights to go.  Figueroa and Facundo both go tomorrow, and they're the heavy hitters on our squad.  For the rest of the guys... someone else can tell you better what realistic expectations should be.

 

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6 minutes ago, alliseeisgold said:

cadets are weird, you see some guys like verklereen who can't crack a college starting lineup win

And then you are reminded how good the world is on days like these

Regardless, our cadet pipeline isn't looking like it will bring senior level medals from this group. I don't see any stevensons, yiannis, fixes, etc.  If Robbie Howard is one of our best we are sending that's not a good thing, I don't see him ever touching a world team senior level. 

 

Don't know if I agree. It's hard to tell at this age how they will do as seniors. Some guys come into their own later- we've had many guys represent our country on the world team that didn't even get a whiff of cadets/juniors or even University worlds. I think Robbie Howard has a lot of potential.

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2 hours ago, LifeintheRed said:

Don't know if I agree. It's hard to tell at this age how they will do as seniors. Some guys come into their own later- we've had many guys represent our country on the world team that didn't even get a whiff of cadets/juniors or even University worlds. I think Robbie Howard has a lot of potential.

Agreed. Nobody - and I mean nobody - had ever heard of Mekhi Lewis when he was cadet age.

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5 hours ago, alliseeisgold said:

cadets are weird, you see some guys like verklereen who can't crack a college starting lineup win

And then you are reminded how good the world is on days like these

Regardless, our cadet pipeline isn't looking like it will bring senior level medals from this group. I don't see any stevensons, yiannis, fixes, etc.  If Robbie Howard is one of our best we are sending that's not a good thing, I don't see him ever touching a world team senior level. 

 

Pretty sure Spencer took a 7th or 9th one year in Cadets. You never really know where guys are at in their development. 

Interested to see how Facundo does-he’s a returning bronze and certainly has the hype around him. He could be the best one of the group.

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10 minutes ago, Jon_Kozak said:

Pretty sure Spencer took a 7th or 9th one year in Cadets. You never really know where guys are at in their development. 

Interested to see how Facundo does-he’s a returning bronze and certainly has the hype around him. He could be the best one of the group.

Agree. 

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13 hours ago, MDogg said:

Good point...as a state placer he must’ve been a household name in NJ.

Yes, he and teammate Stephan Glasgow (Rutgers) we’re both studs at Bound Brook high school in central N J. Each winning 2 titles a weight class apart. NJ knew they were good.... but world and ncaa title??? Wow. 

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damn this cadet world team sucks. We are lagging behind the rest of the world, feels like senior team 5-6 years ago. 

Jackson and Slay are excellent, but can we agree we went overboard with the us system and development as making us so much better.

Sometimes my friends, it just comes down to talent. There are no pico's, fix's, lee's, stevensons, etc walking through that door this year on the cadet level. Alot of average looking guys. We aren't going to beat iran and russia with this crop folks. Which by the way have stepped there games up, some great georgians there too and azerbijans.

How did figuero medal last year ? Got manhandled and laced like a rag doll who can't bench press 50 pounds with some of the worst par ter defense I've ever seen. 

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"Day 2 Bracket Breakdown:

Marc-Anthony McGowan (45kg)- McGowan has a nice draw on the top side, facing the wrestler from India (3rd at Cadet Asians) round 1. I think the two best wrestlers (Iran and Russia) are both on the bottom, so McGowan has a shot at a medal here. The lowest weight at Cadets is usually pretty weak as well- out of 8 years of Cadets, we've either won a medal or been pulled into repechage 6 times.

Richie Figueroa (51kg)- Round 1 against Japan should be a win, leading to a quarters matchup with Russia. The Russian finished 1st at U15 Euros the last two years, but hasn't wrestled a Cadet event. If Richie wrestles like he did last year he's going to win gold. At worst I think he wrestles for a medal.

Jesse Mendez (60kg)- Mendez's quarter is pretty weak, but I'm really not sure what to expect from Mendez. I expect the winner of Azerbaijan-Iran to be a potential semis opponent. Both the Georgian and the Russian are on the bottom side.

Alex Facundo (71kg)- Facundo gets a rough draw, but he may be our best guy. He gets Uzbekistan (2nd @ Cadet Asians) in the first round, with Russia waiting next round. His quarters match would be against the Cadet Asian champ from India. If he gets through the bottom half tomorrow he will win; if he takes a bad loss it might be a short day.

Kyle Haas (92kg)- Who knows what Kyle Haas will do. He opens with China, and his quarters opponent will be a Cadet Asian medalist either way. The semis would probably be against either Russia or Azerbaijan."  Thanks Yank.

 

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1 hour ago, alliseeisgold said:

damn this cadet world team sucks. We are lagging behind the rest of the world, feels like senior team 5-6 years ago. 

Jackson and Slay are excellent, but can we agree we went overboard with the us system and development as making us so much better.

Sometimes my friends, it just comes down to talent. There are no pico's, fix's, lee's, stevensons, etc walking through that door this year on the cadet level. Alot of average looking guys. We aren't going to beat iran and russia with this crop folks. Which by the way have stepped there games up, some great georgians there too and azerbijans.

How did figuero medal last year ? Got manhandled and laced like a rag doll who can't bench press 50 pounds with some of the worst par ter defense I've ever seen. 

Way too harsh.

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