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Excellent.  A great addition to the line-up.  His father was amazing. Interesting how the wrestle the same.  Look at Troy beating returning state champ and future olympian an OU coach.

Troy Bouzakis (Pine Bush-IX) vs Lou Roselli (Royalton-Hartland-VI) 

 

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Everyone here in Ohio has been battling, praising and damning Lakewood St. Edward's wrestling program for over 40 years.

33 OHSAA Team State Championships - 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989, 1992, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019.

Being a parochial school, they can recruit throughout the Cleveland area, a national hotbed of great wrestling. They had a multimillionaire coach who poured hundreds of thousands of dollars (maybe millions) into the program: facilities, coaches, flying to elite tournaments across the country. Your mom or dad needed a job or a place to live, no problem. Meanwhile public schools got what public schools normally get.

But parochial and private schools still compete with public schools.

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1 hour ago, fightingsioux said:

Everyone here in Ohio has been battling, praising and damning Lakewood St. Edward's wrestling program for over 40 years.

33 OHSAA Team State Championships - 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989, 1992, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019.

Being a parochial school, they can recruit throughout the Cleveland area, a national hotbed of great wrestling. They had a multimillionaire coach who poured hundreds of thousands of dollars (maybe millions) into the program: facilities, coaches, flying to elite tournaments across the country. Your mom or dad needed a job or a place to live, no problem. Meanwhile public schools got what public schools normally get.

But parochial and private schools still compete with public schools.

You left out one thing. And that is public schools recruit just as much as private schools. They may not be as good at it and they may not have as much money but they absolutely recruit just like private schools do.

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I know just where you're coming from, taught and coached at three large schools in two different states, all had very big, successful wrestling programs. Not to  split hairs, but I suppose a coach or administrator or booster from a school might take issue with the word "recruit".

A private or parochial school, especially in a large, urban area, can get a kid to enroll without the parents moving. But in virtually all other situations, the parents literally have to move to the district, and that's a huge decision to make. (Very occasionally they're willing to send Johnny to live with someone within the district, but that's unusual.)

So the coach/administrator/booster/whomever says, "We don't recruit. Yes, we build the best facility we can afford, hire the best coaches we can get per the district's salary scale, travel to and wrestle the best opponents we can find. If a family feels that it's important enough for their child to be in our program, then they make the choice to move to our district. But we don't recruit."

A private or parochial school doesn't have to play that silly game: they recruit! :-)

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Sem and Blair have built in advantages over other privates as well - they are a boarding house school with dorms.  Most privates do not have that setup - and while great academics not on this level. This allows them to recruit NATIONAL much easier. St Edward surely recruits, but I don't recall them getting kids from other states to come. They are at least pulling their kids from the greater Cleveland area

Apple valley, graham, etc surely get recruits, but it's only here and there and the majority of the roster is homegrown or regional kids. Outside of David Taylor just about all of Grahams kids have been regional, and parents move into the school district before they start high school. There is nothing at that school outside of wrestling that would attract anyone. In the middle of nowhere hick school that would not attract any kid interested in an elite academic status type of school a Blair name would bring. Two different planets. Kolodzik and Peyton Craft were local to Graham and went to Blair for the reason. Now the Lake Highland kid Bouzakis transfers to Sem but he is already at a private, great academics, established wrestling school that gives him a tough schedule.  Any other private school Bouzakis parents would move states with him. With Blair/Sem they can just send him to dorms. Without the dorms I doubt they send him to PA

JMO, but the if there is a national preps, there should be a likewise tournament for the publics put on by flo or someone....but their really should be 3 levels of high school wrestling. Not all privates have the same advantages blair and sem have. 

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14 hours ago, alliseeisgold said:

Sem and Blair have built in advantages over other privates as well - they are a boarding house school with dorms.  Most privates do not have that setup - and while great academics not on this level. This allows them to recruit NATIONAL much easier. St Edward surely recruits, but I don't recall them getting kids from other states to come. They are at least pulling their kids from the greater Cleveland area

Apple valley, graham, etc surely get recruits, but it's only here and there and the majority of the roster is homegrown or regional kids. Outside of David Taylor just about all of Grahams kids have been regional, and parents move into the school district before they start high school. There is nothing at that school outside of wrestling that would attract anyone. In the middle of nowhere hick school that would not attract any kid interested in an elite academic status type of school a Blair name would bring. Two different planets. Kolodzik and Peyton Craft were local to Graham and went to Blair for the reason. Now the Lake Highland kid Bouzakis transfers to Sem but he is already at a private, great academics, established wrestling school that gives him a tough schedule.  Any other private school Bouzakis parents would move states with him. With Blair/Sem they can just send him to dorms. Without the dorms I doubt they send him to PA

JMO, but the if there is a national preps, there should be a likewise tournament for the publics put on by flo or someone....but their really should be 3 levels of high school wrestling. Not all privates have the same advantages blair and sem have. 

Don’t feel bad for Lake Highland, Bouzakis and the rest of the team had already been poached from around the state. 

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A former high school coach in VA recruited quite well at a few different places. Offered housing for out of area and state athletes, got parents jobs in the area. It’s much easier than you think.

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9 hours ago, Plasmodium said:

Colorado has open enrollment, so no requirement to live in a particular district to attend a specific school.

Does that include athletics too?  I know some states have open enrollment to attend another district for academic purposes , yet the state athletic association still places a penalty of athletes who transfer.  

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5 hours ago, MadMardigain said:

Does that include athletics too?  I know some states have open enrollment to attend another district for academic purposes , yet the state athletic association still places a penalty of athletes who transfer.  

In Arizona this has been a big  There used to not be any rules about it. Then they decided unless you actually moved into the boundaries of the school you transferred to you had to sit a year.  Then people found ways to get around that rule so they made it so you had to sit out half the year if you transferred, which didn't bother people who transferred to the power programs for certain sports because they could practice with the team and be eligible for the playoffs.  The other problem is anytime the association ruled somebody wasn't eligible and the kid's parents had money to blow on a lawyer, they would file an injunction in court and the association here is so spineless they didn't want to fight in court so they give people their way.  There was a quarterback who went to a private Christian school as a freshman and set records there, and then the speculation was he would transfer and had only gone there because he knew he would start as a freshman.  So he transferred mid year after football season to a very good public school down the road known for football.  His parents used the excuse that a family friend of theirs had been hit by a car outside of the school he attended midway through the football season and he was so emotionally traumatized he couldn't keep going to school there, despite the fact he had played the entire season and finished the semester there.  The association ruled him ineligible, but his dad is a hotel executive and hired a top end lawyer and took it to court, where they gave in and ruled him immediately eligible.  So that's how we do things. 

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8 hours ago, TripNSweep said:

In Arizona this has been a big  There used to not be any rules about it. Then they decided unless you actually moved into the boundaries of the school you transferred to you had to sit a year.  Then people found ways to get around that rule so they made it so you had to sit out half the year if you transferred, which didn't bother people who transferred to the power programs for certain sports because they could practice with the team and be eligible for the playoffs.  The other problem is anytime the association ruled somebody wasn't eligible and the kid's parents had money to blow on a lawyer, they would file an injunction in court and the association here is so spineless they didn't want to fight in court so they give people their way.  There was a quarterback who went to a private Christian school as a freshman and set records there, and then the speculation was he would transfer and had only gone there because he knew he would start as a freshman.  So he transferred mid year after football season to a very good public school down the road known for football.  His parents used the excuse that a family friend of theirs had been hit by a car outside of the school he attended midway through the football season and he was so emotionally traumatized he couldn't keep going to school there, despite the fact he had played the entire season and finished the semester there.  The association ruled him ineligible, but his dad is a hotel executive and hired a top end lawyer and took it to court, where they gave in and ruled him immediately eligible.  So that's how we do things. 

Most state associations don't have the money to fight things in court. You could get Jimmy online lawyer to show up and they'll back down.

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Last year the Ohio High School Athletic Association passed new transfer rules expressly aimed at getting the situation in hand. Most of the problem has centered on the concept of residency: what it is, what it is not. A lot of discussion, a lot of controversy, the upcoming HS year should be interesting.

Here's a link to a good article summarizing the situation. I'd suggest also clicking the link within the article that lays out the 11 exceptions to the rules. Very interesting!

https://www.cleveland.com/highschoolsports/article/ohsaas-new-transfer-rule-aims-at-basketball-but-is-off-the-mark/

 

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I believe the year before is when they changed the time of year when you have to sit after your transfer.  Before that, you had to sit the first half of the season which was no 'big deal.'

New rules made the transfers sit the second half(post season)which I'm sure changed/stopped some of the transfers?

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On 8/12/2019 at 7:02 AM, Plasmodium said:

Colorado has open enrollment, so no requirement to live in a particular district to attend a specific school.

The main issue in Colorado is that once you start, moving is very, very difficult. You have to qualify for a bonafide move and I think it is mostly tied to change in employment great than 50 miles - which in Denver is nearly impossible to qualify for. 

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