NJDan 569 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 Per Themat.com: "Two-time Senior World Team member Zain Retherford has pulled out of the [Pan Am Games], and 2019 U23 World Team member Jaydin Eierman will replace him at 65 kg. Following the 2019 Pan Am Games selection procedures for wrestling, Eierman has stepped up to accept his participation in the Games." If Zain can't go, should Yianni get the shot? The article does not even mention Yianni. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,585 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 That is indeed weird and a damn shame that Zain is too hurt to get the Pan Ams in before Worlds. Not a good sign for his prospects of being close to peak. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 1,987 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 Who decides whether Zain is healthy enough to compete? Is this a USAW decision or does Zain have the authority to simply go on the mat even if he's at 20%? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobDole 967 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 Neither probably wants to compete and make weight if there is a potential for match 2 and/or 3 coming up in a couple weeks. 2 steamboat_charlie v2 and dwkeller reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 939 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, BobDole said: Neither probably wants to compete and make weight if there is a potential for match 2 and/or 3 coming up in a couple weeks. Except Yianni who competed and made weight this weekend... 5 CoachWrestling, spladle08, GoNotQuietly and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fightingsioux 50 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 They go by USAW rankings, the next wrestler in line gets the spot. And I think they've got Eierman ahead of Yianni. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 569 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, BobDole said: Neither probably wants to compete and make weight if there is a potential for match 2 and/or 3 coming up in a couple weeks. Well since Yianni just competed in Poland, why would he not want to wrestle again? It may be that USAW does not want to appear to be replacing Zain with Yianni. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,073 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 1 minute ago, fightingsioux said: They go by USAW rankings, the next wrestler in line gets the spot. And I think they've got Eierman ahead of Yianni. This is incorrect 2 hammerlockthree and spladle08 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDogg 273 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, NJDan said: Per Themat.com: "Two-time Senior World Team member Zain Retherford has pulled out of the [Pan Am Games], and 2019 U23 World Team member Jaydin Eierman will replace him at 65 kg. Following the 2019 Pan Am Games selection procedures for wrestling, Eierman has stepped up to accept his participation in the Games." If Zain can't go, should Yianni get the shot? The article does not even mention Yianni. Does anybody know the rationale behind sending the U23 rep instead of the senior level alternate? Seems like such a bizarre move there has to be something more to it. I’m guessing Yianni was offered and declined. Otherwise it just makes no sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fightingsioux 50 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 I believe that's the Pan Am Games procedure. You mean my rankings statement is incorrect? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 569 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, fightingsioux said: They go by USAW rankings, the next wrestler in line gets the spot. And I think they've got Eierman ahead of Yianni. According to Flo, Eierman is not ranked, but there are a few guys ahead of Yianni, which is also weird: 65kg Zain Retherford, Benton, Pa. (Nittany Lion WC) Logan Stieber, Columbus, Ohio (Titan Mercury WC/Ohio RTC) B.J. Futrell, Philadelphia, Pa. (Titan Mercury WC/Pennsylvania RTC) Joey McKenna, Towaco, N.J. (Lehigh Valley WC) Ryan Deakin, Broomsfield, Colo. (Northwestern) Yianni Diakomihalis, Rochester, N.Y. (Finger Lakes WC) Evan Henderson, Chapel Hill, N.C. (Titan Mercury WC/Camel WCRTC) Robbie Mathers, Phoenix, Ariz. (Sunkist Kids) Anthony Abidin, Fresno, Calif. (Valley RTC) Josh Kindig, Chapel Hill, N.C. (Sunkist Kids) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alwayswrestling 192 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 How is it even possible that Yianni is not the #2 guy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fightingsioux 50 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 NJDan, are you sure that's a current list? Logan Stieber retired. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishbane 118 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 Ladder would be Zain, Yianni, Molinaro (beat Oliver for true second at the WTT), Oliver, Eierman based on finax/WTT. Yianni might have been asked but he wrestled in Poland this weekend and maybe he was doesn't want to be in Peru in two days. He also might be involved with the arbitration this week. Someone had posted that last weeks date was to rule on whether or not the case was arbitrable and that this week the case would be heard and decided on the merits. Are we sure Zain pulled out due to injury or is he somehow involved in the arbitration too? In any event Molinaro and Oliver would both have to turn down the spot for it to fall to Eierman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinLion 19 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Fishbane said: Ladder would be Zain, Yianni, Molinaro (beat Oliver for true second at the WTT), Oliver, Eierman based on finax/WTT. Yianni might have been asked but he wrestled in Poland this weekend and maybe he was doesn't want to be in Peru in two days. He also might be involved with the arbitration this week. Someone had posted that last weeks date was to rule on whether or not the case was arbitrable and that this week the case would be heard and decided on the merits. Are we sure Zain pulled out due to injury or is he somehow involved in the arbitration too? In any event Molinaro and Oliver would both have to turn down the spot for it to fall to Eierman. Correct. There are established procedures for this, posted here. Section 4.1.1 "...If a replacement athlete is needed, USA Wrestling will work down the final trials events results in rank order." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 569 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 35 minutes ago, fightingsioux said: NJDan, are you sure that's a current list? Logan Stieber retired. No, I am not sure. But the rankings on the USAW website also have Logan and seem to be more than a year old. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHRoseWrestling 170 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 30 minutes ago, Fishbane said: Ladder would be Zain, Yianni, Molinaro (beat Oliver for true second at the WTT), Oliver, Eierman based on finax/WTT. Yianni might have been asked but he wrestled in Poland this weekend and maybe he was doesn't want to be in Peru in two days. He also might be involved with the arbitration this week. Someone had posted that last weeks date was to rule on whether or not the case was arbitrable and that this week the case would be heard and decided on the merits. Are we sure Zain pulled out due to injury or is he somehow involved in the arbitration too? In any event Molinaro and Oliver would both have to turn down the spot for it to fall to Eierman. Given the window of notice, who would expect Frank or JO to be within striking distance of weight. This is not a surprise. 1 Peso reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justafan 123 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) With the hearing being August 8 and Pan Ams Aug 7-10. Zain couldn't go to Pan Ams then lose arbitration and have Yianni Aug 17 in Texas.I think he wins arbitration.But I understand him not wanting to risk it Edited August 5, 2019 by justafan 2 dwkeller and Nicky_Pipes reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 721 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 But I understand him not wanting to risk itNot sure how you expect him to get the biscuit? 1 wrestlingphish reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,760 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, FlyinLion said: Correct. There are established procedures for this, posted here. Section 4.1.1 "...If a replacement athlete is needed, USA Wrestling will work down the final trials events results in rank order." Maybe Yianni turned down an invite to Pan Ams. Who knows, really. It isn't like they call pressers to explain things to anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 721 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 Real talk though. Timing, as many of you have speculated is likely the main hindering factor. But injury is a tasty secondary option. Guess we will see how arbitration goes. 1 Nicky_Pipes reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justafan 123 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: Maybe Yianni turned down an invite to Pan Ams. Who knows, really. It isn't like they call pressers to explain things to anyone. He did Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 569 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 1 minute ago, justafan said: He did Are you saying Yianni turned it down? Maybe he did. Maybe not. Would it teally be so hard for USAW to explain why Eierman is going. We are talking about three sentences at most. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 560 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, NJDan said: Are you saying Yianni turned it down? Maybe he did. Maybe not. Would it teally be so hard for USAW to explain why Eierman is going. We are talking about three sentences at most. Would it be hard for them to explain what happened scoring in Zain/Yanni? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 569 Report post Posted August 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, tbert said: Would it be hard for them to explain what happened scoring in Zain/Yanni? Much harder, but quite possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites