This is Weird: Jaydin Eierman replacing Zain Retherford

[NJDan 522]

Per Themat.com: "Two-time Senior World Team member Zain Retherford has pulled out of the [Pan Am Games], and 2019 U23 World Team member Jaydin Eierman will replace him at 65 kg. Following the 2019 Pan Am Games selection procedures for wrestling, Eierman has stepped up to accept his participation in the Games." 

If Zain  can't go, should Yianni get the shot? The article does not even mention Yianni.

 

[wrestlingnerd 2,573]

That is indeed weird and a damn shame that Zain is too hurt to get the Pan Ams in before Worlds. Not a good sign for his prospects of being close to peak. 

[Billyhoyle 1,895]

Who decides whether Zain is healthy enough to compete?  Is this a USAW decision or does Zain have the authority to simply go on the mat even if he's at 20%?

[BobDole 909]

Neither probably wants to compete and make weight if there is a potential for match 2 and/or 3 coming up in a couple weeks.

[steamboat_charlie v2 939]

5 minutes ago, BobDole said:

Neither probably wants to compete and make weight if there is a potential for match 2 and/or 3 coming up in a couple weeks.

Except Yianni who competed and made weight this weekend...

[fightingsioux 50]

 They go by USAW rankings, the next wrestler in line gets the spot. And I think they've got Eierman ahead of Yianni.

[NJDan 522]

11 minutes ago, BobDole said:

Neither probably wants to compete and make weight if there is a potential for match 2 and/or 3 coming up in a couple weeks.

Well since Yianni just competed in Poland, why would he not want to wrestle again? It may be that USAW does not want to appear to be  replacing Zain with Yianni.

 

[Housebuye 2,017]

1 minute ago, fightingsioux said:

 They go by USAW rankings, the next wrestler in line gets the spot. And I think they've got Eierman ahead of Yianni.

This is incorrect 

[MDogg 271]

16 minutes ago, NJDan said:

Per Themat.com: "Two-time Senior World Team member Zain Retherford has pulled out of the [Pan Am Games], and 2019 U23 World Team member Jaydin Eierman will replace him at 65 kg. Following the 2019 Pan Am Games selection procedures for wrestling, Eierman has stepped up to accept his participation in the Games." 

If Zain  can't go, should Yianni get the shot? The article does not even mention Yianni.

 

Does anybody know the rationale behind sending the U23 rep instead of the senior level alternate? Seems like such a bizarre move there has to be something more to it.

I’m guessing Yianni was offered and declined. Otherwise it just makes no sense. 

[fightingsioux 50]

I believe that's the Pan Am Games procedure. You mean my rankings statement is incorrect?

[NJDan 522]

3 minutes ago, fightingsioux said:

 They go by USAW rankings, the next wrestler in line gets the spot. And I think they've got Eierman ahead of Yianni.

According to Flo, Eierman is not ranked, but there are a few guys ahead of Yianni, which is also weird:

65kg

1. Zain Retherford, Benton, Pa. (Nittany Lion WC)
2. Logan Stieber, Columbus, Ohio (Titan Mercury WC/Ohio RTC)
3. B.J. Futrell, Philadelphia, Pa. (Titan Mercury WC/Pennsylvania RTC)
4. Joey McKenna, Towaco, N.J. (Lehigh Valley WC)
5. Ryan Deakin, Broomsfield, Colo. (Northwestern)
6. Yianni Diakomihalis, Rochester, N.Y. (Finger Lakes WC)
7. Evan Henderson, Chapel Hill, N.C. (Titan Mercury WC/Camel WCRTC)
8. Robbie Mathers, Phoenix, Ariz. (Sunkist Kids)
9. Anthony Abidin, Fresno, Calif. (Valley RTC)
10. Josh Kindig, Chapel Hill, N.C. (Sunkist Kids)

 

[Alwayswrestling 168]

How is it even possible that Yianni is not the #2 guy?

 

[fightingsioux 50]

NJDan, are you sure that's a current list? Logan Stieber retired.

[Fishbane 118]

Ladder would be Zain, Yianni, Molinaro (beat Oliver for true second at the WTT), Oliver, Eierman based on finax/WTT.  Yianni might have been asked but he wrestled in Poland this weekend and maybe he was doesn't want to be in Peru in two days.  He also might be involved with the arbitration this week.  Someone had posted that last weeks date was to rule on whether or not the case was arbitrable and that this week the case would be heard and decided on the merits.  Are we sure Zain pulled out due to injury or is he somehow involved in the arbitration too?

In any event Molinaro and Oliver would both have to turn down the spot for it to fall to Eierman. 

[FlyinLion 17]

1 minute ago, Fishbane said:

Ladder would be Zain, Yianni, Molinaro (beat Oliver for true second at the WTT), Oliver, Eierman based on finax/WTT.  Yianni might have been asked but he wrestled in Poland this weekend and maybe he was doesn't want to be in Peru in two days.  He also might be involved with the arbitration this week.  Someone had posted that last weeks date was to rule on whether or not the case was arbitrable and that this week the case would be heard and decided on the merits.  Are we sure Zain pulled out due to injury or is he somehow involved in the arbitration too?

In any event Molinaro and Oliver would both have to turn down the spot for it to fall to Eierman. 

Correct.  There are established procedures for this, posted here.  Section 4.1.1 "...If a replacement athlete is needed, USA Wrestling will work down the final trials events results in rank order."

[NJDan 522]

35 minutes ago, fightingsioux said:

NJDan, are you sure that's a current list? Logan Stieber retired.

No, I am not sure. But the rankings on the USAW website also have Logan and seem to be more than a year old.

[JHRoseWrestling 128]

30 minutes ago, Fishbane said:

Ladder would be Zain, Yianni, Molinaro (beat Oliver for true second at the WTT), Oliver, Eierman based on finax/WTT.  Yianni might have been asked but he wrestled in Poland this weekend and maybe he was doesn't want to be in Peru in two days.  He also might be involved with the arbitration this week.  Someone had posted that last weeks date was to rule on whether or not the case was arbitrable and that this week the case would be heard and decided on the merits.  Are we sure Zain pulled out due to injury or is he somehow involved in the arbitration too?

In any event Molinaro and Oliver would both have to turn down the spot for it to fall to Eierman. 

Given the window of notice, who would expect Frank or JO to be within striking distance of weight.  This is not a surprise.

[justafan 123]

With the hearing being August 8 and Pan Ams Aug 7-10. Zain couldn't go to Pan Ams then lose arbitration and have Yianni Aug 17 in Texas.I think he wins arbitration.But I understand him not wanting to risk it

Edited August 5, 2019 by justafan

[spladle08 695]

But I understand him not wanting to risk it

Not sure how you expect him to get the biscuit?

[TBar1977 3,669]

1 hour ago, FlyinLion said:

Correct.  There are established procedures for this, posted here.  Section 4.1.1 "...If a replacement athlete is needed, USA Wrestling will work down the final trials events results in rank order."

Maybe Yianni turned down an invite to Pan Ams. Who knows, really. It isn't like they call pressers to explain things to anyone. 

[spladle08 695]

Real talk though. Timing, as many of you have speculated is likely the main hindering factor.
But injury is a tasty secondary option.

Guess we will see how arbitration goes.

[justafan 123]

6 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

Maybe Yianni turned down an invite to Pan Ams. Who knows, really. It isn't like they call pressers to explain things to anyone. 

He did

[NJDan 522]

1 minute ago, justafan said:

He did

Are you saying Yianni turned it down? 

Maybe he did. Maybe not.

Would it teally be so hard for USAW to explain why Eierman is going. We are talking about three sentences at most.

 

[tbert 560]

8 minutes ago, NJDan said:

Are you saying Yianni turned it down? 

Maybe he did. Maybe not.

Would it teally be so hard for USAW to explain why Eierman is going. We are talking about three sentences at most.

 

Would it be hard for them to explain what happened scoring in Zain/Yanni?

[NJDan 522]

13 minutes ago, tbert said:

Would it be hard for them to explain what happened scoring in Zain/Yanni?

Much harder, but quite possible.