Lurker 1,397 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 29 minutes ago, tbert said: Ok "he" corrected Zach E. mistake in scoring. ( we think) And there in lies the problem, he corrected out of place of procedure. But anyway..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,868 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Lurker said: uggggh speaking of re-runs don't want to get in again on the particulars of the last couple minutes....however, "they" didn't correct or change..."he" did. Out of procedure (and I love the dude, but real is real). That is the brunt of the issue. Yeah, but that is his job. To oversee the entire match and to correct any significant scoring issues. It is literally his job description to fix problems like the ones that arose in that match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,868 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, Lurker said: And there in lies the problem, he corrected out of place of procedure. But anyway..... He'd have corrected anyway. Let's assume the three man crew huddles and comes up with a different score that you like better, but the brick still has top be dealt with. That is in the rules that Zain's right to challenge is not forfeited. Once Tucci accepted the brick, he then had to review the sequence for any errors in scoring. Well, that's what he did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 560 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, Lurker said: And there in lies the problem, he corrected out of place of procedure. But anyway..... Exactly, (maybe) My error, I forgot how satisfying it is to Rob Koll fans to win when ref screwed up. In this case someone tried to correct the mishap and is strung up on nearest tree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,397 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: He'd have corrected anyway. Let's assume the three man crew huddles and comes up with a different score that you like better, but the brick still has top be dealt with. That is in the rules that Zain's right to challenge is not forfeited. Once Tucci accepted the brick, he then had to review the sequence for any errors in scoring. Well, that's what he did. So you're against speculation when others are doing it, but use it yourself when you think its making your point stronger? Understood. You also forget.....once again....its not a score a like better. I've told you several times I prefer the result stand. I'm just seeing where it could not. That whole reading comprehension thing rears its ugly head again. Look Tman, we've run our course on this one. I've laid out a number of times where the procedure was botched. Rather or not you choose to acknowledge it is up to you. There will be another topic we can "pick a fight" (I always get a chuckle when you say that) soon. Edited August 15, 2019 by Lurker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,397 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, tbert said: Exactly, (maybe) My error, I forgot how satisfying it is to Rob Koll fans to win when ref screwed up. In this case someone tried to correct the mishap and is strung up on nearest tree. In case you've forgotten, I've also said numerous I'm neither pro or anti Rob Koll, and I actually would prefer to see the result stand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,397 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 There may be something to this whole Tbar/tbert thing. I seem to get responses from them clumped real close together. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,868 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: There may be something to this whole Tbar/tbert thing. I seem to get responses from them clumped real close together. The Doppelganger conspiracy lives!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,868 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lurker said: So you're against speculation when others are doing it, but use it yourself when you think its making your point stronger? Understood. You also forget.....once again....its not a score a like better. I've told you several times I prefer the result stand. I'm just seeing where it could not. That whole reading comprehension thing rears its ugly head again. Look Tman, we've run our course on this one. I've laid out a number of times where the procedure was botched. Rather or not you choose to acknowledge it is up to you. There will be another topic we can "pick a fight" (I always get a chuckle when you say that) soon. I think it was botched too, by the Chair. The referee delegate fixed it. It did not need to go beyond the mat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,397 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: I think it was botched too, by the Chair. The referee delegate fixed it. It did not need to go beyond the mat. We know your stance. See you on the next one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 560 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, Lurker said: There may be something to this whole Tbar/tbert thing. I seem to get responses from them clumped real close together. Yea Sherlock, the FBI could use another good man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 560 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, Lurker said: In case you've forgotten, I've also said numerous I'm neither pro or anti Rob Koll, and I actually would prefer to see the result stand. Sorry, I dont buy into that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,397 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, tbert said: Sorry, I dont buy into that. That’s fine. Doesn’t change it from being fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobDole 967 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 I keep coming to this topic hoping there will be news, not you girls fighting. 3 nhs67, CrewWrestling and southend reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whaletail 202 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, tbert said: Sorry, I dont buy into that. I'm not sure why. He's already said he'd prefer the result stand, but acknowledges there were procedural mistakes. He's even agreed that Koll's drunk ref allegations were unwarranted. Because he's not defaming the guy every 15 minutes on various boards, he's a Koll fan? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 560 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, whaletail said: I'm not sure why. He's already said he'd prefer the result stand, but acknowledges there were procedural mistakes. He's even agreed that Koll's drunk ref allegations were unwarranted. Because he's not defaming the guy every 15 minutes on various boards, he's a Koll fan? White Knight to the rescue!!!! Yep defamed the guy who defamed the official and lied about the match....once again, it's all on video. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow_Medal 190 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 I think it was botched too, by the Chair. The referee delegate fixed it. It did not need to go beyond the mat. It didn’t NEED to go beyond the mat, but it has and there is a perfectly legitimate process for taking it there. Isn’t that part of your stance, that there is a process for things that should be followed and now you’re against a different process being followed? Just say that you don’t like them pursuing the process for arbitration for personal reasons and leave it at that. They are, however, following said legitimate process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red95 29 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 Pyles claiming decision today: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Savage74 23 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, TBar1977 said: He'd have corrected anyway. Let's assume the three man crew huddles and comes up with a different score that you like better, but the brick still has top be dealt with. That is in the rules that Zain's right to challenge is not forfeited. Once Tucci accepted the brick, he then had to review the sequence for any errors in scoring. Well, that's what he did. You continue to speculate that the same end result would have occurred. We don’t KNOW that to be true. If Tucci says, “you need to have a conference because you didn’t agree” which is what should have happened prior to him reviewing the video. Lets say they score it 2 for either wrestler, but not both. A challenge brick is put out there and it goes to the delegate. Does he decide to override the subjective ruling that was agreed upon by 2 out of 3 officials? Maybe what if all 3 officials decide during the conference that 2-2 makes the most sense. Challenge brick comes in, does Tucci overuse all 3 other officials? Maybe the fact is, he overstepped his role by accepting the challenge brick. There are a number of “what if’s” but in the end, we don’t know for sure what would have happened if the challenge brick was thrown immediately as it is supposed to by rule. We don’t know how Zain and Yianni wrestle differently. We don’t know if the match gets stopped or not. We don’t know if a conference is held. We don’t know what the end result would have been if the rules and process were followed. That is the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMardigain 1,275 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, Red95 said: Pyles claiming decision today: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,868 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Yellow_Medal said: It didn’t NEED to go beyond the mat, but it has and there is a perfectly legitimate process for taking it there. Isn’t that part of your stance, that there is a process for things that should be followed and now you’re against a different process being followed? Just say that you don’t like them pursuing the process for arbitration for personal reasons and leave it at that. They are, however, following said legitimate process. Clearly they (Koll) has taken it beyond the mat. Once he got the lawyers involved I am not sure what could have been done to avoid this long drawn out appeal. So we will have an arbitrator instead of a wrestling officiating body settle it and it appears we are going to find out what the arbitrator's ruling is tonite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,868 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, Savage74 said: You continue to speculate that the same end result would have occurred. We don’t KNOW that to be true. If Tucci says, “you need to have a conference because you didn’t agree” which is what should have happened prior to him reviewing the video. Lets say they score it 2 for either wrestler, but not both. A challenge brick is put out there and it goes to the delegate. Does he decide to override the subjective ruling that was agreed upon by 2 out of 3 officials? Maybe what if all 3 officials decide during the conference that 2-2 makes the most sense. Challenge brick comes in, does Tucci overuse all 3 other officials? Maybe the fact is, he overstepped his role by accepting the challenge brick. There are a number of “what if’s” but in the end, we don’t know for sure what would have happened if the challenge brick was thrown immediately as it is supposed to by rule. We don’t know how Zain and Yianni wrestle differently. We don’t know if the match gets stopped or not. We don’t know if a conference is held. We don’t know what the end result would have been if the rules and process were followed. That is the problem. Totally disagree Tucci overstepped his role. His very job is to settle scoring mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinLion 19 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) Edited August 15, 2019 by FlyinLion 3 freestyle_fan, OBXWrestler and jon reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OBXWrestler 98 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 Koll just tweeted that they are going to re-wrestle match 2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 646 Report post Posted August 15, 2019 Match 2 is to be re-wrestled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites