Mphillips 1,346 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Jaroslav Hasek said: people need to watch more sumo and stop using it as a pejorative to describe anything they don't like about other wrestling styles. +1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 2,026 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, jon said: Flo selected the place. Flo didn't fill the place. Plus it's the small gymnasium not even the big one lol. this is all very incorrect. USA Wrestling selected the location and USA Wrestling-Texas found a site and ran the event. Flo did what we could to help sell as many tickets as possible. Also it was the larger of the two gyms on campus. I thought it was a great crowd for being in Round Rock for at most 3 matches. There are few senior level events that are better attended than this. But Dake and Dieringer are a big draw! Excellent job by everyone involved with the event imo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alwayswrestling 223 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) Dake is just the better wrestler. Edited August 17, 2019 by Alwayswrestling 1 HokieHWT reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Novak 147 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, scribe said: Dake is going down in 2020 That's your job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,125 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 For what it’s worth I thought this was yet another demonstration of just how freakin talented Dake is on the one hand and just how uninspirational his style is on the other hand. The way we know Dake is amazing is because of everyone he’s been able to beat. He’s beaten at least three world champions (this includes his win over Cox), two hodge trophy winners, countless NCAA champs of the ordinary variety, and so on. Yet for all that he’s always about to be dethroned. Even people who bet on him do it “only because you can’t bet against him” or “my heart says X but logic says Dake”. Meanwhile guys like Yianni and Taylor, both amazing, are consistently amazing on the other side of that logic. Despite many more losses and fewer high level wins (obviously Taylor has somewhat elevated past that) there are far more people betting on them. And this is naturally because of style. Taylor and Yianni far more often impress and look like world beaters when they win. Perhaps Dake knows more about winning and less about impressing ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 2,114 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 Can we just all agree that one should never bet against Dake in a real match. Pick his opponent in a fantasy match if you want but ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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KCMO2 663 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, ionel said: Can we just all agree that one should never bet against Dake in a real match. Pick his opponent in a fantasy match if you want but ... I'll take Cox any day vs Dake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whaletail 220 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, NJDan said: Yes, crazy. Burroughs has won an Olympic final and a world final. Those were much bigger wins. I should have been clearer. I think's Dake been his biggest rival, and toughest opponent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whaletail 220 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, KCMO2 said: I'll take Cox any day vs Dake. Considering the size disparity, who wouldn't? Had they been the same size in 2016, I think Dake would have beaten Cox convincingly. 2019 Cox, of course, is an altogether different beast, and if they were the same size, I'm not sure who I'd favor (probably Dake, but I'm biased). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roadkill 74 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, KCMO2 said: I'll take Cox any day vs Dake. Do you think Cox goes 86kg or 97kg for 2020? Has he said? I think he beats Snyder for the spot if he goes 97. 2 nhs67 and HokieHWT reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KCMO2 663 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, whaletail said: Considering the size disparity, who wouldn't? Had they been the same size in 2016, I think Dake would have beaten Cox convincingly. 2019 Cox, of course, is an altogether different beast, and if they were the same size, I'm not sure who I'd favor (probably Dake, but I'm biased). If they both made the decision to wrestle at the same weight, then don't whine about the size disparity. Dake may have been smaller at the time, but he also didn't have to go through the weight cut that Cox did. And if they were the same exact size now, Cox would win the series 2-0. Can anyone even remember the last time Cox was taken down? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whaletail 220 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, BigTimeFan said: For what it’s worth I thought this was yet another demonstration of just how freakin talented Dake is on the one hand and just how uninspirational his style is on the other hand. The way we know Dake is amazing is because of everyone he’s been able to beat. He’s beaten at least three world champions (this includes his win over Cox), two hodge trophy winners, countless NCAA champs of the ordinary variety, and so on. Yet for all that he’s always about to be dethroned. Even people who bet on him do it “only because you can’t bet against him” or “my heart says X but logic says Dake”. Meanwhile guys like Yianni and Taylor, both amazing, are consistently amazing on the other side of that logic. Despite many more losses and fewer high level wins (obviously Taylor has somewhat elevated past that) there are far more people betting on them. And this is naturally because of style. Taylor and Yianni far more often impress and look like world beaters when they win. Perhaps Dake knows more about winning and less about impressing ? When Dake wrestles aggressively, he looks as dominant as anyone I've ever seen. Unfortunately, his high profile domestic matches are almost always for World/Olympic spots, and he wrestles a lot more tactically when it's all on the line like that. In today's matches, Dieringer wasn't giving him much to work with either, and when he can dump you for 4 whenever he controls a tricep, Dake's strategy makes a lot more sense. Keep in mind, he's teched some of the top guys in the world (e.g. Tsargush, Gadzhi & Dieringer), and not just takedown + gut/lace techs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KCMO2 663 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Roadkill said: Do you think Cox goes 86kg or 97kg for 2020? Has he said? I think he beats Snyder for the spot if he goes 97. Word is he's going 86. And I'd give him a 50/50 chance at 97. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
de4856 368 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 Well my take was that Dake neutralized Deringer's offense, and probably should've been hit with some additional passive calls, but in the long run, even if he was, I don't think it would've mattered much, because it seemed like Dake could score when he needed to. 1 tbert reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whaletail 220 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, KCMO2 said: If they both made the decision to wrestle at the same weight, then don't whine about the size disparity. Dake may have been smaller at the time, but he also didn't have to go through the weight cut that Cox did. And if they were the same exact size now, Cox would win the series 2-0. Can anyone even remember the last time Cox was taken down? Who's whining? You made a claim, and I rebutted. Sans the size disparity, I believe Dake would have won that series (christ, he almost did anyway). In 2019, at the same weight, I really have no idea, and neither do you. Cox is absolutely tough to score on, let alone take down, and Dake blew through Worlds without giving up a point. Too bad we'll never know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZ_wrestling 115 Report post Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, KCMO2 said: If they both made the decision to wrestle at the same weight, then don't whine about the size disparity. Dake may have been smaller at the time, but he also didn't have to go through the weight cut that Cox did. And if they were the same exact size now, Cox would win the series 2-0. Can anyone even remember the last time Cox was taken down? I don’t think he was necessarily whining about the weight, but more so pointing out the fact that the weight they wrestled at was more optimal for Cox. The fact remains that a small number of weight classes leads to tweeners sometimes being beaten by guys who aren’t as good p4p as they are. Was this the case with Cox vs Dake? Maybe. Claiming definitively that Cox would be Dake if they were the same size is unsubstantiated conjecture. Dake was more dominant at Worlds last year than Cox has ever been. If Cox had the equivalent of Burroughs in his weight class he might not have a single medal to his name. Edited August 17, 2019 by AZ_wrestling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmm53 574 Report post Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, KCMO2 said: Word is he's going 86. And I'd give him a 50/50 chance at 97. Word from where or whom? Please elaborate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted August 18, 2019 And I thought watching Golf was boring... Next match, duct tape a squirrel in their shorts to force some action. First to pin gets freed... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted August 18, 2019 4 hours ago, dmm53 said: Question: how do you picture a match between Ringer and Magic Man going? They are both going to be at 86 KG for the Olympic Trials and matches leading up to that. DT has a lot more varied offense, but that is only part of the story. The Ringer of today? Taylor pins him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnklePicker 628 Report post Posted August 18, 2019 3 hours ago, BigTimeFan said: For what it’s worth I thought this was yet another demonstration of just how freakin talented Dake is on the one hand and just how uninspirational his style is on the other hand. The way we know Dake is amazing is because of everyone he’s been able to beat. He’s beaten at least three world champions (this includes his win over Cox), two hodge trophy winners, countless NCAA champs of the ordinary variety, and so on. Yet for all that he’s always about to be dethroned. Even people who bet on him do it “only because you can’t bet against him” or “my heart says X but logic says Dake”. Meanwhile guys like Yianni and Taylor, both amazing, are consistently amazing on the other side of that logic. Despite many more losses and fewer high level wins (obviously Taylor has somewhat elevated past that) there are far more people betting on them. And this is naturally because of style. Taylor and Yianni far more often impress and look like world beaters when they win. Perhaps Dake knows more about winning and less about impressing ? Did you watch the world championships last year? Seriously did you watch Dake’s matches? 1 2 herma48852, whaletail and nhs67 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZ_wrestling 115 Report post Posted August 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, WillieBoy said: The Ringer of today? Taylor pins him. Ringer from today takes gold if he was our rep at 79. 2 tbert and whaletail reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmm53 574 Report post Posted August 18, 2019 This match and the Zain-Yianni affair are more evidence to me that countries with top (elite) contenders should have the chance to send at least two guys to Worlds, especially if they meet certain qualifying standards (e.g., points earned or winning/place in key tournaments or returning medalists, etc). Many other sports allow countries to send multiple elite members to championships: track and field, gymnastics, swimming, etcetera. 1 whaletail reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmm53 574 Report post Posted August 18, 2019 World championships would be a lot more interesting, entertaining and competitive with 2 or more guys from the US, Russia, Iran, and few other place perhaps. It's crazy that arguably the #2 guy in the World is unable to compete because he loses to the #1 guy on domestic soil. 1 whaletail reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whaletail 220 Report post Posted August 18, 2019 45 minutes ago, dmm53 said: This match and the Zain-Yianni affair are more evidence to me that countries with top (elite) contenders should have the chance to send at least two guys to Worlds, especially if they meet certain qualifying standards (e.g., points earned or winning/place in key tournaments or returning medalists, etc). Many other sports allow countries to send multiple elite members to championships: track and field, gymnastics, swimming, etcetera. +1000000 I've never understood the argument for 1 country, 1 rep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
