If/when Yianni wins 4 NCAA titles...

[Jimmy Cinnabon 411]

At his current rate Yianni is on pace to win 4 NCAA titles.  If/when he does, assuming he proceeds at his current trajectory, where do you rate him all-time for college wrestlers?

Above Dake but below Cael (since Yianni has lost)?

[jon 158]

This topic ridiculous but I'll take the bait...

Dake number one: Four years, four weights, balls of steel, a winner despite his attending Cornell lol.

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1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

At his current rate Yianni is on pace to win 4 NCAA titles. 

At his current rate? You mean 1 title each year?

[Big Nasty 43]

It is absolutely asinine to try and place anyone’s career on an all-time list while their career is still in progress. 

[Jimmy Cinnabon 411]

2 hours ago, jon said:

This topic ridiculous but I'll take the bait...

Dake number one: Four years, four weights, balls of steel, a winner despite his attending Cornell lol.

Multiple losses though.

Yianni only has 1 career loss.  What if he finishes 130-1 with 4 titles?  I would put him above Dake then.

[fiveontwo 22]

also dake is boring and yianni is not

[Fishbane 170]

27 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Multiple losses though.

Yianni only has 1 career loss.  What if he finishes 130-1 with 4 titles?  I would put him above Dake then.

Through two years Yianni has the same number of NCAA titles and loses as IMAR.  I would rank Dake's NCAA career ahead of IMAR's though IMAR had fewer career losses. 

[Eagle26 580]

If Yianni brings home an Olympic medal next year, would that factor into the equation?

[Jimmy Cinnabon 411]

24 minutes ago, Eagle26 said:

If Yianni brings home an Olympic medal next year, would that factor into the equation?

Yes.  Since people regularly bring up Snyder's Olympic gold in discussing him as a all time great NCAA wrestler.

[Fishbane 170]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Multiple losses though.

Yianni only has 1 career loss.  What if he finishes 130-1 with 4 titles?  I would put him above Dake then.

If Yianni's career continued at his current rate wouldn't he be on pace to finish with 2 career loses and 4 titles?  In two years he has two titles and a 66-1 record.  Shouldn't that make for 132-2 and 4 titles over a 4 year career?  

[Jimmy Cinnabon 411]

1 minute ago, Fishbane said:

If Yianni's career continued at his current rate wouldn't he be on pace to finish with 2 career loses and 4 titles?  In two years he has two titles and a 66-1 record.  Shouldn't that make for 132-2 and 4 titles over a 4 year career?  

I was just spitballing.  But even finishing 132-2 results in a better W-L record than Dake.

[Fishbane 170]

12 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

I was just spitballing.  But even finishing 132-2 results in a better W-L record than Dake.

Yeah, but that's only one thing.  Dake would have more wins overall; 137 to Yianni's 132.  Yianni is also on pace to win 0 Hodge trophies and Dake has 1.  Dake won titles at 4 different weights and Yianni is only on pace to win titles at 1.  You don't think more wins and more Hodges trump a 1.3% difference in career winning percentage?

Edited September 5, 2019 by Fishbane

[MadMardigain 1,594]

Fantasy comparison/match.  So Dake will always lose.  

[WillieBoy 713]

Two words for you: Ed Banach.

Let the guy get a 3rd before the foolishness you are posting.

[1032004 1,405]

I think it’s fine to speculate.

this was already a thread though

http://board.themat.com/index.php?/topic/20213-is-yianni-the-second-best-ever/

[Sublime607 139]

I'm a Dake fan but people forget that he won 3 EIWA titles.

 

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Poor Yianni has become BIG’s next Nickerson. 

[Griff the BullRam 38]

Weren't people doing this after Imar's freshman year when he was gonna be the next Cael? Or after Vincenzo's second title? Turns out, you can't put someone on an all-time list when you don't know what their all-time accomplishments are yet. However, I'm going to contradict myself and say that when it's all said and done, Jimmy Cinnabon will go down as one of the worst all-time posters.

[Fishbane 170]

26 minutes ago, Griff the BullRam said:

Weren't people doing this after Imar's freshman year when he was gonna be the next Cael? Or after Vincenzo's second title? Turns out, you can't put someone on an all-time list when you don't know what their all-time accomplishments are yet. However, I'm going to contradict myself and say that when it's all said and done, Jimmy Cinnabon will go down as one of the worst all-time posters.

Or is he an all star poster?  He has started 9 of the 25 most recent threads in the college forum. 

[Boompa 202]

Tough go.  Dake was a 4 timer and was enrolled in an Ivy League academic program and he did it as a true frosh.  Most people who attend state schools don't understand the academic rigors of elite private schools and Dake pulled it all off at 4 different weights.

Yianni is in the SUNY Ag school program and it looks like he is taking an Olympic redshirt.

Both are arguable against Sanderson because he never wrestled the NCAA tournament as a true freshman.  Plus, and this I can guarantee you, Cael never had the academic rigors Dake did....period.  It not like Cael was in engineering while at ISU and like I said...I've done both and most people don't understand the difference between normal state school academics and elite private schools.

Edited September 6, 2019 by Boompa

[1032004 1,405]

34 minutes ago, Boompa said:

Tough go.  Dake was a 4 timer and was enrolled in an Ivy League academic program and he did it as a true frosh.  Most people who attend state schools don't understand the academic rigors of elite private schools and Dake pulled it all off at 4 different weights.

Yianni is in the SUNY Ag school program and it looks like he is taking an Olympic redshirt.

Both are arguable against Sanderson because he never wrestled the NCAA tournament as a true freshman.  Plus, and this I can guarantee you, Cael never had the academic rigors Dake did....period.  It not like Cael was in engineering while at ISU and like I said...I've done both and most people don't understand the difference between normal state school academics and elite private schools.

We get it, you went to an elite private school.

Edited September 6, 2019 by 1032004

[NJDan 1,056]

Even assuming Dake did more schoolwork, that does not make him a better wrestler. Dake's wrestling is judged according to his wrestling, not according to his courseload or, for that matter, the  amount of time he spent feeding the hungry, healing the sick or walking his dog.

 

[Big Nasty 43]

5 minutes ago, NJDan said:

Even assuming Dake did more schoolwork, that does not make him a better wrestler. Dake's wrestling is judged according to his wrestling, not according to his courseload or, for that matter, the  amount of time he spent feeding the hungry, healing the sick or walking his dog.

 

Agreed.  If one's course load was truly a determining factor then lets put Adam Coon up as the greatest heavyweight in history because he studied aerospace engineering.    

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Yianni's mom gives Yianni the edge quite frankly.

[nhs67 1,952]

One thing folks have seemingly forgotten, when factoring in rates/pace here is that Dake won 4 titles in 4 years immediately following completion of high school, with an average of 1.0 per year.  Johnny looks to be on pace to complete 4 titles in 5 years, putting him at a rate of 0.8 titles per year.  A rate 20% lower than Dake's rate.  That is significant.